1905 - what happened

[swamphen]

That is correct.

SMS Roon (ex-NSS Defender, ex-GCN Protector)
SMS Yorck (ex-NSS Warrior, ex-GCN Guerrero)

;D


Walter - just don't do anything that would make the one Dragon angry at the other, please. When Dragons fight, mice get trampled (and I'd really like the Reich to be friendly with both Dragons too). ;)

[P3D]

Does this two ships has an ex-ACM name too?

[Ithekro]

Where those ex-ACM ships?  The two ex-DKB ships were German design and I think the two GC ships were old GC designs.

[P3D]

NM then.

[Desertfox]

This is the differences between my OOB as of 1902 and the one I want as of 1906. It shows what ships I wanted to exchange for what (or where exchanged after 1902). The Spanish ships would be defectors during the war. One thing I remmebered my Wys (Black Cats) class DDs have turbo electric drive. Any problem with that.


Ships which dont appear in 1902:

New Builts:

1 Battleship BB 6x12in, 21kt (Under construction)
NSS United States

2 Cruisers CC 4x8in, 25kt (1 Under construction)
NSS Launceston
NSS Melbourne

3 Light Cruisers LC 5x6in, 4TT, 27kt
NSS Jaguar
NSS Lion
NSS Tiger

8 Destroyers DD 3x4in, 4TT, 27kt (some under construction)
NSS Van Hake
NSS Van Antwerp
6 more

15 Destroyers DD 2x4in, 4TT, 27kt (some under construction)
NSS Littelstone class


Exchanges:

1 Battlecruisers BC 4x12in, 24kt (for 3 CBs)
NSS Alliance

1 Battleship BB 4x12in, 18kt (for 2 ACs)
NSS Australia

1 Cruisers CC 4x8in, 22kt (for 5 PCs)
NSS Olympia

2 Cruisers CC 2x10", 8x6", 22kt (for 3 TFCs)
Tuna class equivalent

2 Protected Cruisers PC 5x5in, 21kts (for 3 TPCs)
ex-Spanish

5 Destroyers DD (for 6 DDs)
ex-Spanish



Ships which do then but not in 1906:

3 Coastal Battleships CB 4x9in, 21kt (for Alliance)
NSS Alaska
NSS Tasmania
NSS Guam

1 Coastal Battleships CB 4x10in, 15kt (sunk)
NSS Australia

5 Protected Cruisers 2x6", 17kt (for Olympia)
NSS Atlanta class

6 Destroyers DD 2x4in, 4TT, 25kt. (for Spanish DDs)
NSS Mendez class (rebuild ex-ACM T40 class)

3 Trade Cruisers TC 6x6in, 16.5kt (for Spanish PCs)
ex-ACM Salmon
ex-ACM Skipjack
ex-ACM Sturgeon

2 Heavy Cruisers AC 4x8in, 19kt (for Australia)
ex-GC Defender (ex Protector)
ex-GC Warrior (ex Guerrero)

3 Trade Fast Cruisers TFC 6x6in, 21.9kt (for Tunas)
ex-ACM Carp (damaged)
ex-ACM Pike
ex-ACM Swordfish

10 Gunboats GB 1x4in, 12kt (for nothing)

[swamphen]

2 Heavy Cruisers AC 4x8in, 19kt (for Australia)
ex-GC Defender (ex Protector)
ex-GC Warrior (ex Guerrero)

DKB purchased these ships Q3/04. So they were not in the NS inventory as of 31 December 1904 - therefore not relevant to this discussion.

[Ithekro]

Well you have 50,000 tons, four years, scrap values, and sales prices...see what you can do with it using what you really had 1/1/1902 before we push on the other mods few remaining nerves, okay?

If your results are really poor (remember the Lake Fleet as well), then we can talk about your exchanges.  I don't like raising the dead...besides people keep trying to steal the sword that can command the Army of the Dead (it's mine!).

[Desertfox]

I probably can get evrything I want (except for the Great Lakes Fleet) for 50,000 tons.

Now the question is what would people prefere? A 27kt, 12" brand new Battlecruiser, or an older 24kt one with unreliable engines? I know which one I would prefere.

[Ithekro]

As they say...rules are rules.

You still need to have the tech, time to get the tech in place, and then the time to build the vessel.

Remember to not neglect your western frontier and Lake Fleet...the Muslims are a tricky bunch and if you don't have protection them might just raid your lands or take the whole of the lakes without much resistance.

[Desertfox]

A 27kt new built Alliance is perfectly within the rules, and would be finished just in time for 1906...

[Ithekro]

Remember to show your work, there will be a test later.

[Ithekro]

Issue Four:  Republic of the Philippines?

If a war is viable due to Swiss manipulations in the Philippines starting very, very late in 1904 and early 1905, might I suggest the Republic of the Philippines be a rebellion for much of 1905, therefore the Hapsburg may or may not care (As a weak, non-communist Philipines would be even better than a Communist buffer state, especially if the Kingdom of Aragon could try to influence the matter.  Maybe bring them back to the Monarchy)  Swiss involvement coming out over the course of 1905 maybe leading to the new Iberian Government (the final fall of the Communists in Spain could be a result of the loss of the Philippines to a Republic form of government...puppet state or not) and the Hapsburgs and Iberians moving against the Swiss with their forces not arriving in force until 1906.  The DKB forces might be involved sooner, but why put yourself in danger when you have help coming?

Would the press being reporting Hapsburg movements while going the long way around like the Russian had for their Fleet during the Russo-Japanese War?

[maddox]

If we look at the  1905 "Borys" history.  Phoenix agreed in giving the Japanese in exile- who lived in the MK by her grace- Brownshirt Japan (not hers to give) and Mantjoeria. Just to give the NS a big farwell.

I would say, the Japanese don't feel much aggression towards  the Middle Kingdom, who sheltered and rewarded them , and a lot more antagonist towards the European NS.

The only real losers are the Brownshirts, who are the invention of Desertfox himself. That France, and even Agrival poured in money in this political movement shouldn't be a surprise.
As well the  French hands off politics after the Pu Lun coupe.

In effect. Walter gets  Japan and Mantsjoeria, with a Chinese blessing.... Desetfox doesn't lose any real power, just his old mainlands, whom he did give up before.
 

[Borys]

Ahoj!

I would say, the Japanese don't feel much aggression towards  the Middle Kingdom, who sheltered and rewarded them , and a lot more antagonist towards the European NS.
 

This hostility is (somewhat) tempered by the presence of the White minority. Who own businesses etc.
Imagine Quebec waging war on Ontario - a large part od Keybaker industry and trade is owned by English speakers, who would torpedo/sabotage/ wage "civil disobedience"  against such a thing.

Borys

[maddox]

I agree Borys. Smart rulers don't antagonise a rich part of their  civilians.