Ukrainian Cruiser Designs

[Eugenius]

I think this might be a little crowded with guns, tell me if I'm right...because otherwise, I kind of like the firepower/speed combination of this ship.

Cruiser A, Ukraine Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   4,700 t light; 4,962 t standard; 5,401 t normal; 5,753 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   389.00 ft / 389.00 ft x 47.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   118.57 m / 118.57 m x 14.33 m  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 92.00lbs / 41.73kg shells, 1892 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1892 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,235 lbs / 560 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   342.00 ft / 104.24 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 135 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35,932 shp / 26,806 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 790 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   314 - 409

Cost:
   £0.552 million / $2.210 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 162 tons, 3.0 %
   Armour: 995 tons, 18.4 %
      - Belts: 411 tons, 7.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 86 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 458 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 40 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 1,797 tons, 33.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,571 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 701 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 175 tons, 3.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,386 lbs / 1,536 Kg = 31.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 49 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.517
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.28 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.72 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.80 ft / 4.82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,373 Square feet or 1,149 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 74 lbs/sq ft or 362 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[P3D]

Yes, a bit crowded, cut the number by a bit. Say, 4 guns only amidships.
For cruisers use "mount with hoist".
1" deck armor should be enough.
175t misc weight is excessive, 125-130t should be enough.

Draft is a bit deep for my liking, BC is a bit low. I'd decrease beam too. by 1-2'.

[Eugenius]

Modified a bit.  Fewer guns, less draught.

Cruiser A-1, Ukrainian Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   4,520 t light; 4,712 t standard; 5,137 t normal; 5,478 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   389.00 ft / 389.00 ft x 48.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
   118.57 m / 118.57 m x 14.63 m  x 5.49 m

Armament:
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 92.00lbs / 41.73kg shells, 1892 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 92.00lbs / 41.73kg shells, 1892 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 739 lbs / 335 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.25" / 83 mm   331.00 ft / 100.89 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 131 % of normal length

   - Armour deck: 1.25" / 32 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35,249 shp / 26,296 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 765 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   303 - 394

Cost:
   £0.496 million / $1.984 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 108 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 845 tons, 16.4 %
      - Belts: 522 tons, 10.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 297 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 26 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,762 tons, 34.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,674 tons, 32.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 617 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,698 lbs / 1,677 Kg = 34.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 48 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.535
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.72 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.80 ft / 5.12 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 130.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,849 Square feet or 1,194 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 378 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.19
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[Korpen]

Made a rouge sketch of her.
I suspect that the intention is to have the B and K gun to be superfiring, but as springsharp does not place guns at forecastle height, the raided mounts have to be forward or one of them will not be able to fire forward.  

[Tanthalas]

im gona have to agree with Korpen, I learnd the same thing on some of my first ships

[Eugenius]

Made a rouge sketch of her.
I suspect that the intention is to have the B and K gun to be superfiring, but as springsharp does not place guns at forecastle height, the raided mounts have to be forward or one of them will not be able to fire forward. 

I'm not sure I understand...how would I rectify this to get the biggest broadside?

[P3D]

As of Korpen's sketch not much space is left for torpedo tubes .

The quarter inches of the deck and belt armor is unnecessary. I think most game system considers like 1" resolution in belt and 0.5-1" resolution in deck armor.

I realized that machinery takes up a lot of the space, you could increase the draught back to 19' (German cruisers of WWI had about 18-20" draught).

http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/clger.htm

[Sachmle]

Well, now that I'm behind, I have a overhead view of the original design done.

[Eugenius]

Well, now that I'm behind, I have a overhead view of the original design done.

It looks like it fits, actually.

[Sachmle]

Ya, barely, the forward side turrets can't elevate all that well because of the superstructure and the B and X mount can't fire over the A and Y mount, they're to close together.  Now looking at it I'd like to slide all the upper works backwards toward the stern so there's more open deck on the bow for the wash to break at speed.

Also, kinda looks like an AA cruiser w/ all those 19mm