OK, no "Bear Cavalry" cruisers, this one instead.

[Sachmle]

credit due to 'thesmilingassassin' & 'BrockPaine' @ WPDB for parts used in the artwork

I'm aware she's slower, but I like the layout and the firepower much better. And for 9,000t she's pretty nice if I do say so myself.

UNS San Carlos de Bariloche , NUS Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   9,000 t light; 9,378 t standard; 10,918 t normal; 12,150 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   553.00 ft / 549.00 ft x 54.90 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   168.55 m / 167.34 m x 16.73 m  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (2x2 guns), 300.00lbs / 136.08kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 1904 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     14 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 16.00lbs / 7.26kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.55lbs / 0.25kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      2 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.55lbs / 0.25kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1,756 lbs / 796 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   249.00 ft / 75.90 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      2.00" / 51 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 30,954 shp / 23,092 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,772 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   533 - 694

Cost:
   £0.696 million / $2.785 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 198 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 3,619 tons, 33.1 %
      - Belts: 2,144 tons, 19.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 538 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 842 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 95 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,532 tons, 14.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,502 tons, 32.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,918 tons, 17.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 148 tons, 1.4 %
                - 48 tons for 24 torps, 12 per side
                - 25 tons for Marconi
                - 25 tons for crew comfort measures
                - 50 tons reserve weight for future use

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,388 lbs / 9,248 Kg = 79.6 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.62

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.634
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (55 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (25 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.40 ft / 5.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 163.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,750 Square feet or 2,114 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 461 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.26
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

She'd be alright as a scout or raider.  I'd be tempted to replace all those 3" and 4" with a few 6", though.

Pic's pretty - there's no missing Wes' influence.

[Sachmle]

Definately Wes, alright. But as to the secondaries/tertiaries. She's 24kts for a reason. Let me know if ya figure it out. ;)

[P3D]

Get a third turret on the ship, it won't cost you much. Perhaps with weakening the deck armor to 1.5". Orange has three old ship like this (larger, 4x8" but only 22kts) and their utility is limited.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
The mass of 4" are unnecessary. This ship should not be running into masses of torpedo boats. It is a "county" equivalent - so I agree with more 6".
Or maybe make a mini-Bluecher - 4x2x7,5"?

Borys

[Sachmle]

Ahoj!
The mass of 4" are unnecessary. This ship should not be running into masses of torpedo boats. It is a "county" equivalent - so I agree with more 6".
Or maybe make a mini-Bluecher - 4x2x7,5"?

Borys

But I designed her to tag-a-long w/ Isla de Pascua AS a torpedo boat screen.  And the "County Class" reference is alot closer than you know.

[Borys]

"Fantasy 3rd batch" County class I designed for the North Atlantic

Displacement:
   7 558 t light; 7 915 t standard; 9 331 t normal; 10 464 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   450,00 ft / 450,00 ft x 64,00 ft x 21,00 ft (normal load)
   137,16 m / 137,16 m x 19,51 m  x 6,40 m

Armament:
      6 - 7,50" / 191 mm guns in single mounts, 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1 627 lbs / 738 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 180
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   260,00 ft / 79,25 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   190,00 ft / 57,91 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     Main Belt covers 89% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35 712 shp / 26 641 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 549 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   474 - 617

Cost:
   £0,696 million / $2,782 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 216 tons, 2,3%
   Armour: 2 212 tons, 23,7%
      - Belts: 1 082 tons, 11,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 501 tons, 5,4%
      - Armour Deck: 553 tons, 5,9%
      - Conning Tower: 76 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 1 786 tons, 19,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 095 tons, 33,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 773 tons, 19,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 2,7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12 391 lbs / 5 621 Kg = 58,7 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
   Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 14,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,540
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,03 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21,21 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,00 ft / 8,53 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   23,00 ft / 7,01 m
      - Mid (25%):      23,00 ft / 7,01 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Stern:      15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,80 ft / 6,04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154,5%
   Waterplane Area: 19 912 Square feet or 1 850 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 488 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,92
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Carthaginian]

6 guns in single turrets, no superfiring?

[Borys]

Yes. The single turrets, arranged intoa triangle, at each end.
Borys

[Eugenius]

Ewww...ugly award?  I guess it is better for end-on fire...

[Borys]

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/devonshire_class.htm

I replaced rear storried casemattes with a pair of turrets.
Borys

[Sachmle]

Ok, how about this then?

UNS San Carlos de Bariloche, NUS Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   9,475 t light; 10,011 t standard; 11,600 t normal; 12,871 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   553.00 ft / 549.00 ft x 54.90 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
   168.55 m / 167.34 m x 16.73 m  x 6.71 m

Armament:
      6 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (3x2 guns), 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 15.25lbs / 6.92kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.60lbs / 0.27kg shells, 1906 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      3 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.60lbs / 0.27kg shells, 1906 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 3,150 lbs / 1,429 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 165
   2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   249.00 ft / 75.90 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   280.00 ft / 85.34 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      2.00" / 51 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 31,825 shp / 23,742 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,861 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   558 - 726

Cost:
   £0.895 million / $3.579 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 408 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 3,450 tons, 29.7 %
      - Belts: 2,182 tons, 18.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 789 tons, 6.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 413 tons, 3.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1,576 tons, 13.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,943 tons, 34.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,125 tons, 18.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 98 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,993 lbs / 7,708 Kg = 43.6 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.99
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.54

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (55 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (25 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.40 ft / 5.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,298 Square feet or 2,072 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 514 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.39
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

48 tons for torpedos
25 tons for Marconi
25 tons reserve weight

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Maybe desginate MG turrets as "centerline - evenly spread"?
Hmm - I like her.
Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

I'll second the layout suggestion; that middle turret is dead amidships.

I like that better than the original - she could be effective either with Isla de Pascua or on her own, really.

[johnestauffer]

I have always been concerned about main batteries located so close to machinery spaces.  The magazine for the midships turret will require refrigeration to keep cool.
I guess there are advantages to spliting up the main battery/magazines, but there appear to be some issues with that type of arrangement.