I call it a light BB not a BC

[Tanthalas]

Vitellius, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   13,745 t light; 14,339 t standard; 15,450 t normal; 16,339 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   600.00 ft / 593.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   182.88 m / 180.75 m x 21.34 m  x 7.01 m

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (2x3 guns), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 4,926 lbs / 2,234 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   297.00 ft / 90.53 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   296.00 ft / 90.22 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   296.50 ft / 90.37 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 77 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 43,563 shp / 32,498 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 9,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,001 tons

Complement:
   692 - 900

Cost:
   £1.276 million / $5.102 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 616 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 5,215 tons, 33.8 %
      - Belts: 2,854 tons, 18.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,153 tons, 7.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,088 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 120 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,980 tons, 12.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,734 tons, 37.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,705 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,871 lbs / 10,374 Kg = 34.4 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.566
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.25 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (50 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (25 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.50 ft / 5.94 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,418 Square feet or 2,733 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 632 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


or maybee a raiding bb havent realy decided on that part yet,

[Sachmle]

Someone once told me that my casemate armor was excessive. Something about the poor slub inside not being able to train the mount as it was done manually and the armor was so thick it was to heavy to turn. And I only use 6" normally, your's is 8". I could be wrong, but wouldn't that be heavier? :P

[Ithekro]

Hmmmm.  A heavy armored cruiser?  A Super Cruiser like the Swiss have?  A Fast Second class Battleship?

[Sachmle]

Yes... it's a very light/lightly armed BB, or a heavy/heavily armed AC. Hmmm...battleship....cruiser, battleship...cruiser, battleship...cruiser, battleshipcruiser. Hey I thought you said it wasn't a battlecruiser? ;D

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Yes, the secondaries are not thaqt useful against destroyers, due to excessive shields.

Borys

[Eugenius]

Nice battlecruiser.  :D

[Borys]

Fast Second class Battleship?

That's what I thought.

Too well armoured for an AC.

Borys

[Tanthalas]

well it is in responce to all the over guned ACs floating around the world atm  as for the casemate thats wierd I usualy go same as my end/upper armor...

[Sachmle]

So that would be 4", in this case.

[Tanthalas]

ok I caved

Italia-BC-1910, Italia Battle Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   16,000 t light; 16,719 t standard; 17,693 t normal; 18,472 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   600.62 ft / 593.00 ft x 81.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   183.07 m / 180.75 m x 24.69 m  x 7.01 m

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 6,355 lbs / 2,883 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   393.00 ft / 119.79 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   394.94 ft / 120.38 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   394.94 ft / 120.38 m   21.36 ft / 6.51 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 48,194 shp / 35,953 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 7,130nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,753 tons

Complement:
   766 - 997

Cost:
   £1.534 million / $6.136 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 794 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 5,924 tons, 33.5 %
      - Belts: 2,715 tons, 15.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 312 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armament: 1,513 tons, 8.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,253 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 132 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,191 tons, 12.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,921 tons, 39.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,693 tons, 9.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 170 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24,395 lbs / 11,065 Kg = 36.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.561
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11.76 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (17 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (17 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.77 ft / 5.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,855 Square feet or 3,145 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 713 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.25
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Korpen]

ok I caved

Italia-BC-1910, Italia Battle Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   16,000 t light; 16,719 t standard; 17,693 t normal; 18,472 t full load

So what caused this turn around? :)

[Tanthalas]

ok I caved

Italia-BC-1910, Italia Battle Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   16,000 t light; 16,719 t standard; 17,693 t normal; 18,472 t full load

So what caused this turn around? :)

... I enterd it wrong in SS and didnt feal like changing it =P

[Tanthalas]

I just couldnt stay caved to the BC Builders



Italia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   16,000 t light; 16,719 t standard; 17,693 t normal; 18,472 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   602.37 ft / 593.00 ft x 81.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   183.60 m / 180.75 m x 24.69 m  x 7.01 m

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 6,355 lbs / 2,883 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   395.00 ft / 120.40 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   198.00 ft / 60.35 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   394.94 ft / 120.38 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   394.94 ft / 120.38 m   21.36 ft / 6.51 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 48,194 shp / 35,953 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 7,130nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,753 tons

Complement:
   766 - 997

Cost:
   £1.534 million / $6.136 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 794 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 5,928 tons, 33.5 %
      - Belts: 2,719 tons, 15.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 312 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armament: 1,513 tons, 8.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,253 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 132 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,191 tons, 12.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,887 tons, 38.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,693 tons, 9.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24,208 lbs / 10,981 Kg = 36.4 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.561
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22.16 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (17 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (17 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.50 ft / 5.64 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,855 Square feet or 3,145 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 711 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.23
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Eugenius]

The 3-2 xxx 3 arrangement just seems awkward...why not sacrifice a little armor or speed somewhere else for an extra gun?

[Sachmle]

48,194 shp

Uh oh... you went over.. ;)

2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring

BTW, by 1910 SS will actually let you call these an AA gun, like you always intended them.