I call it a light BB not a BC

[Borys]

Will the fire control (FC) of this period (or at least the fighing tops) fuction correctly with just one forward but none aft?  Also the one forward is far from the majority of the main batteries.

One will do. The other one is a backup.

Question to Borys:  Was the revamped FC rules for new ships for people that have FC tech, or the reflection of the work and space requirement for refitting ships that don't have FC on completion? 

The intention is that both new construction and modernized (see, no "r" word! :)) ships need those weights to instal FC.

I n relation to that, would it be setting aside space for the refit/installation of the FC at a later date, once the FC tech becomes avalible for ships being laid down while the tech in being researched but not yet known to the country building the ship?

Yes - policing misc.weight is impossible - so why bother?
:)

Or is it a temorary messure until FC becomes more standardized in five years or so?

It is in a way temporary, and I would like to see the need for assigning misc weight to radio and FC  eliminated in the 1913-16 period.

Borys

[Tanthalas]

a late entry



Italia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14,429 t light; 15,109 t standard; 16,577 t normal; 17,751 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 74.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 22.56 m  x 7.01 m

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 6,105 lbs / 2,769 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   335.00 ft / 102.11 m   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   222.00 ft / 67.67 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   335.00 ft / 102.11 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,643 tons

Complement:
   729 - 949

Cost:
   £1.452 million / $5.806 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 763 tons, 4.6 %
   Armour: 5,207 tons, 31.4 %
      - Belts: 2,930 tons, 17.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,036 tons, 6.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,128 tons, 6.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 112 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,182 tons, 13.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,927 tons, 35.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,148 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 2.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,001 lbs / 9,979 Kg = 33.1 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.71
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.53 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (70 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.62 ft / 5.68 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,485 Square feet or 2,832 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 660 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.41
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Im actualy rather fond of this version Opinions would be greatly apreciated though. (I even promise not to yell at anyone LOL)

[Sachmle]

I would have to agree, this is the better option if you're looking for effective and cheap.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I really like the pic - but I'd change the '30s stacks to something more approproate for the epoch.
I'm tempted to build something similar, but I think I prefer two 22K tonne ships to three such ships.
Borys

[Tanthalas]

this is part of my hulls in the watter program, so the idea was small cheap and effective.  (besides its more chalenging to build a small ship than a big one where you just throw Tonage at every problem) as for the stacks almost all my ships use the same ones, was trying for somthing diferent ^.^