I call it a light BB not a BC

Started by Tanthalas, December 31, 2007, 11:44:35 PM

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P3D

Quote from: Tanthalas on January 03, 2008, 03:02:13 PM
P3D do you ever not bitch when someone Comes out with a non conformist Idea?  Im a Lousy .003% over the SHP limit, Im under 15K tons so I fall into the Cruiser class FC (100 tons), the twin 3" mount is my signature on EVERY ONE OF MY SHIPS, and well guesse what im not the WW2 RN or USN, actualy NONE of us are... Im Italia and like every other player in the sim I do things my way, so what if its not as functional, it makes my ships Diferent and thats half the point of doing it.

Point out where I am bitching, because I  just point out what I would do otherwise (especially if something I see is not the best solution). I just don't understand why every comment of mine on an Italian ship have to be taken as an offense.


But for some mysterious reason that is beyond me I agree with Tanthalas on the FCS weight.
The 100 and the 250t figures for the FCS are arbitrary values, numbers conjured up from thin air, and 3-5 times larger than what would be realistic. Masts (tripod, pole or cage) are already included in the ship displacement.  A 3m-base RF and its station should not weight more than a few tons, and the needed structural reinforcement is not significant whatsoever.
Minimally functional director stations were installed on destroyers which were much more weight limited.
If you have to make difference between cruiser and BB FC I think it is redundancy.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Tanthalas

P3D we have had this Discusion before if you recall it may not be that your bitching, but its how you come acrossed to me.  I try and take it with a grain of salt I hope you realise that, it would proly help if you would throw in a "LOL" or 2 or a "=P" (thats sticking toung out for anyone that dosnt know).  These are things I do without thinking about them because its just me, I know I can come across as Violently Opinionated.  So long ago I started adding that kind of stuff so people would realise that I was mostly just having fun, or trying to point out a diferent line of thought.  Now SMILE it could always be worse... You could be in Kenya (note I always use the worst case scenerio when I say that)
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

The Rock Doctor

For what's worth, I'd have interpreted P3D's comments as nothing more than constructive criticism.  I know you guys seem to have a bit of a rocky relationship, but y'all can still give each other the benefit of the doubt if the messages don't end with a "LMAO".

For my part, I'd prefer the eight-gun version with the torpedo bulkhead.  The bulkhead's effectiveness on that beam can be debated, but it ought to give you some benefit, which would be useful in the Med.  Plus it'd look funkier.

Tanthalas

Latest version



Italia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14,826 t light; 15,561 t standard; 16,649 t normal; 17,519 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 555.00 ft x 77.00 ft x 23.25 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.16 m x 23.47 m  x 7.09 m

Armament:
      9 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x3 guns), 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 7,025 lbs / 3,187 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   330.00 ft / 100.58 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   225.00 ft / 68.58 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   330.00 ft / 100.58 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   4.00" / 102 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 47,964 shp / 35,781 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 8,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,958 tons

Complement:
   732 - 952

Cost:
   £1.561 million / $6.245 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 878 tons, 5.3 %
   Armour: 5,132 tons, 30.8 %
      - Belts: 2,539 tons, 15.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,325 tons, 8.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,142 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 126 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 2,180 tons, 13.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,436 tons, 38.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,823 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,217 lbs / 9,170 Kg = 30.4 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.586
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.21 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 4.98 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.50 ft / 5.64 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,863 Square feet or 2,867 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 715 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.44
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Tanthalas

another thought


Italia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   15,830 t light; 16,548 t standard; 17,651 t normal; 18,533 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   603.00 ft / 593.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 23.25 ft (normal load)
   183.79 m / 180.75 m x 24.38 m  x 7.09 m

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 6,355 lbs / 2,883 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   399.00 ft / 121.62 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   194.00 ft / 59.13 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   399.00 ft / 121.62 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   399.00 ft / 121.62 m   21.25 ft / 6.48 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 8,190nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,985 tons

Complement:
   765 - 995

Cost:
   £1.527 million / $6.107 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 794 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 5,794 tons, 32.8 %
      - Belts: 2,728 tons, 15.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 314 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armament: 1,384 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,237 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 131 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,182 tons, 12.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,760 tons, 38.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,821 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     23,901 lbs / 10,841 Kg = 35.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.41 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.50 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (17 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (17 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.76 ft / 5.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,423 Square feet or 3,105 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 700 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.25
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Tanthalas

#35
interesting ship... its a true BB even with 11" pop guns


pic isnt finished yet but should offer a small idea what she would look like

Italia-SBB-1911, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1911 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   22,000 t light; 22,904 t standard; 25,429 t normal; 27,449 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721.00 ft / 701.00 ft x 83.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   219.76 m / 213.66 m x 25.30 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
      9 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x3 guns), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1911 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1911 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (4x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1911 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
      24 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 6,907 lbs / 3,133 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   421.00 ft / 128.32 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   280.00 ft / 85.34 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   421.00 ft / 128.32 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   421.00 ft / 128.32 m   22.95 ft / 7.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 67,474 shp / 50,336 Kw = 26.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,545 tons

Complement:
   1,006 - 1,308

Cost:
   £1.872 million / $7.487 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 863 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 8,639 tons, 34.0 %
      - Belts: 4,525 tons, 17.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 536 tons, 2.1 %
      - Armament: 1,743 tons, 6.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,630 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 205 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 2,690 tons, 10.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,457 tons, 37.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,429 tons, 13.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     42,557 lbs / 19,304 Kg = 63.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 6.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.00 ft / 1.83 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (50 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.82 ft / 6.04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 44,057 Square feet or 4,093 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 752 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.07
      - Longitudinal: 0.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Borys

Ahoj!
Very nice. Actually, I was thinking of something similar.
Of a 3x2x13,5" fast companion to my eight gunned ships.

And I love the pic - although I'd prefer mine to look like Mackensen or Baden with Berta brought down to deck level, and Anton deleted (I suppose the hull between the turret and bow would hav to be shortened a bit).
http://www.german-navy.de/pics/hochseeflotte/mackensen.gif
http://www.german-navy.de/pics/hochseeflotte/bayern.gif

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Tanthalas

I contemplated 6X14" still am actualy, but that would open a whole new can of worms for me if I choose to go that route (id have to go up to 12" armor I think then they realy are just fast BBs)
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Korpen

Quote from: Tanthalas on January 04, 2008, 01:09:53 AM
I contemplated 6X14" still am actualy, but that would open a whole new can of worms for me if I choose to go that route (id have to go up to 12" armor I think then they realy are just fast BBs)
Pardon, but what is the can of worms in that, why do you have to have 30cm of armour on such a ship?
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Tanthalas

Quote from: Korpen on January 04, 2008, 01:17:48 AM
Quote from: Tanthalas on January 04, 2008, 01:09:53 AM
I contemplated 6X14" still am actualy, but that would open a whole new can of worms for me if I choose to go that route (id have to go up to 12" armor I think then they realy are just fast BBs)
Pardon, but what is the can of worms in that, why do you have to have 30cm of armour on such a ship?

LOL cause I know me, if they have 14" guns ill wana fight full grown BBs with em =P which with 9-11" armor would lead to them having a very short life ^.^.  Im trying to keep them as cheap as I can, but i keep making them bigger LOL
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Ithekro

Will the fire control (FC) of this period (or at least the fighing tops) fuction correctly with just one forward but none aft?  Also the one forward is far from the majority of the main batteries.

Question to Borys:  Was the revamped FC rules for new ships for people that have FC tech, or the reflection of the work and space requirement for refitting ships that don't have FC on completion?  I n relation to that, would it be setting aside space for the refit/installation of the FC at a later date, once the FC tech becomes avalible for ships being laid down while the tech in being researched but not yet known to the country building the ship?

Or is it a temorary messure until FC becomes more standardized in five years or so?

Tanthalas

IDK about the function part, thats mainly just a function of the drawing though, on all of these there has bene a ton of space aft where another top could be added, I simply hadnt because of asthetic reasons.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Valles

I'm not a fan of battlecruisers or of fast ships in general, but the...

QuoteItalia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14,826 t light; 15,561 t standard; 16,649 t normal; 17,519 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 555.00 ft x 77.00 ft x 23.25 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.16 m x 23.47 m  x 7.09 m

...looks like a good value for the money, to me. Personally I'd go for heavier armor, but then, I like my belts really heavy. ^_^
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Tanthalas

Quote from: Valles on January 04, 2008, 03:54:48 PM
I'm not a fan of battlecruisers or of fast ships in general, but the...

QuoteItalia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14,826 t light; 15,561 t standard; 16,649 t normal; 17,519 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 555.00 ft x 77.00 ft x 23.25 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.16 m x 23.47 m  x 7.09 m

...looks like a good value for the money, to me. Personally I'd go for heavier armor, but then, I like my belts really heavy. ^_^

if you liked that one lol you will go gaga for the one im working on atm, while personaly not a fan of the BC one must prepare for who one may have to fight, and with my widespread holdings im in desperate nead of ships to replace my aging BBs.  that need brought about this idea initialy, and like all my ideas now I have it I cant let go of it untill I perfect it.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Tanthalas

Likley Final (unless I have another great idea tonite ^.^)



Italia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   15,100 t light; 15,790 t standard; 17,395 t normal; 18,679 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 79.60 ft x 26.10 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 24.26 m  x 7.96 m

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 5,992 lbs / 2,718 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   311.00 ft / 94.79 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   246.00 ft / 74.98 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   311.00 ft / 94.79 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,001 shp / 35,808 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 8,533nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,888 tons

Complement:
   756 - 984

Cost:
   £1.463 million / $5.853 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 749 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 5,606 tons, 32.2 %
      - Belts: 3,236 tons, 18.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,250 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,120 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 2,182 tons, 12.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,213 tons, 35.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,295 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,627 lbs / 10,263 Kg = 26.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.526
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.50 ft / 8.38 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (51 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.03 ft / 5.50 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,260 Square feet or 2,811 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 691 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War