Retroactive call for designs!

[Korpen]

Thanks!  Now its off to bed...gotta design a couple of coast defense ships for the Baltic and a few groups of destroyers before I'm all caught up to 1910.

Do not forget the minesweepers and minelayers! ;)

[Eugenius]

Final view of Volodymir, with extended upper deck, as she appeared upon completion in the October of 1909.

Also, her finalized Springsharp:

Volodymir, Ukrainian Battleship laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   18,943 t light; 19,842 t standard; 20,842 t normal; 21,642 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   539.97 ft / 535.00 ft x 90.00 ft x 25.25 ft (normal load)
   164.58 m / 163.07 m x 27.43 m  x 7.70 m

Armament:
      9 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 900.00lbs / 408.23kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      24 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 45.00lbs / 20.41kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 21.00lbs / 9.53kg shells, 1892 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1907 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9,351 lbs / 4,241 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90
   2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   210.00 ft / 64.01 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   7.50" / 191 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   23.57 ft / 7.18 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35,735 shp / 26,658 Kw = 22.15 kts
   Range 4,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,801 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   866 - 1,127

Cost:
   £1.874 million / $7.494 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,143 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 7,408 tons, 35.5 %
      - Belts: 3,458 tons, 16.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 283 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armament: 2,168 tons, 10.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,303 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 196 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,787 tons, 8.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,304 tons, 39.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,899 tons, 9.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     31,593 lbs / 14,330 Kg = 36.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.49

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11.25 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (50 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.08 ft / 6.73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 174.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 35,216 Square feet or 3,272 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 820 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

I still like the LBB project better, also try and make sure you draw them in a uniform scale (gives you a real idea if everything you cramed on will actualy fit) SS dosnt actualy deal with the space issue, all it cares about is the tonage (which leads to things like one of my early 1K ton destroyers with 6 5" guns in singles with 9 20" torps in 3 tripple mountings midship)

[Eugenius]

It is drawn to a regular scale...everything is one pixel = one foot in my primitive drawing.

[Tanthalas]

KK just wanted to make sure (will save you getting jumped on later)

[Carthaginian]

Nice ship, and excellent drawing!
If only mine looked that way- all mu stuff seems too 'cartoonish' for my taste, really.

[P3D]

I'd say the cagemasts are too tall. The observation platform should not be much higher than the top of the funnels.

[Eugenius]

I'd say the cagemasts are too tall. The observation platform should not be much higher than the top of the funnels.

Hmmm...I was drawing them at the same scale as the OTL American battleships' cage masts.  I wonder if they didn't have observation platforms part-way up the mast.

[Tanthalas]

look at the cage I did on the LBB Proposal, its fairly acurate....

[P3D]

The top of the platform on Volodymir is 160' tall. The top of the cage masts on the US dreadnoughts were at 120-130' according to drawings in Friedmann. So they are a bit too tall, but not as much as I thought it at first look.

[Eugenius]

Cage masts shortened 30 feet.

[Borys]

Masts look better.
Turrets not too big for 12" triples? They somehow "look 15" to me
Maybe a straighter bow?

Borys

[Eugenius]

I like my bow just canted forward on a sheer aesthetics level.  :)

The 12" guns might be a bit big, since I don't know the exact length/height of the 3x12" turret mount in Gangut, which is what I'm basing my triple mounts off of.  They're done off of guesswork, really.

[Borys]

Could be that I'm used to twins ...
Borys

[Borys]

Yeah, I suppose I'm used to twins. Looking at the line drawing of Gangut here:
http://ship.bsu.by/main.asp?id=101251

I tried to imagine three such turrets on a smaller hull.

Borys