Maori Fleet

[Valles]

Speed is waste.

Springsharp defines all engine operations as happening below the waterline, yesno? 'Destroyer' or not...

But if it takes a cruiser, it takes a cruiser. Better than fighting naked.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1912

Displacement:
   3,362 t light; 3,533 t standard; 3,979 t normal; 4,336 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   350.18 ft / 344.49 ft x 32.81 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   106.73 m / 105.00 m x 10.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      16 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 1,030 lbs / 467 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.33" / 110 mm   344.49 ft / 105.00 m   6.89 ft / 2.10 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   4.33" / 110 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.39" / 10 mm, Conning tower: 4.33" / 110 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 37,393 shp / 27,895 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 803 tons

Complement:
   249 - 325

Cost:
   £0.428 million / $1.714 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 129 tons, 3.2 %
   Armour: 566 tons, 14.2 %
      - Belts: 380 tons, 9.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 100 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 62 tons, 1.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 23 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1,448 tons, 36.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,203 tons, 30.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 617 tons, 15.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 17 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,147 lbs / 974 Kg = 20.8 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 11.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.626
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.64 ft / 0.50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.93 ft / 5.16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 8,469 Square feet or 787 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 291 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.85
      - Longitudinal: 4.24
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Sachmle]

But if it takes a cruiser, it takes a cruiser. Better than fighting naked.

Armament:
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room

Light Cruiser Architecture
1880 Baseline(0): guns in single mounts or casemates, on side/centerline
1900 Advanced(+1): ammunition hoists, deck torpedo armament, superfiring mounts
1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts
1920: turrets and barbettes

Twin gun mounts requires hoists, and they are power operated. Their armor is limited to splinter protection - 1".
Battleship Architecture is not valid for guns 6.5" and smaller. To have armored turrets with small guns, this technology is required.

Me thinketh thou art ahead of thy self.
And the deck armor is still to thin.

[Korpen]

But if it takes a cruiser, it takes a cruiser. Better than fighting naked.

Armament:
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room

Light Cruiser Architecture
1880 Baseline(0): guns in single mounts or casemates, on side/centerline
1900 Advanced(+1): ammunition hoists, deck torpedo armament, superfiring mounts
1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts
1920: turrets and barbettes

Twin gun mounts requires hoists, and they are power operated. Their armor is limited to splinter protection - 1".
Battleship Architecture is not valid for guns 6.5" and smaller. To have armored turrets with small guns, this technology is required.

Me thinketh thou art ahead of thy self.

Sure he is, but so is the design, and by 1912 he most likley will have that tech...

[Sachmle]

From Maori 1HY/1910 report
Military Research: $4
   Dated Torpedoes via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Cutting Edge Battleship Architecture via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Advanced Naval Guns via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Dated Infantry via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Dated Mobile Units via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Baseline Mobilization via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Baseline Mine Warfare via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Baseline Submarines via transfer from Italia: $0.25 (1st half)
   Cutting Edge Airships: $1 (1st period)
   Advanced Rail Guns: $1 (1st period)

Kinda hard to get it if you aren't even researching it. I don't think anyone has it to trade it to him yet, but I could be wrong. So many of the Tech boards are out of date it's hard to tell anymore at a glance, you have to dig through HY reports to figure it out.

[Tanthalas]

LOL its the glory of planing for the future lets ya figure out what tec to go after.

[Sachmle]

I took a crack at a pic for ya, whatcha think?

Ya got no misc weight for W/T or FC so no aerials or masts, just bare bones superstructure.

[Valles]

Indeed. Seems I need to come up with something to clearly indicate what's a 'We're planning to build this, no, really' design and what's 'Let's play around with sketches and see what we get'.

Armored destroyers are, for the next five to ten years or so, in the latter category, as much as I might wish otherwise.

Stupid weight rules. >.<

Ya got no misc weight for W/T or FC so no aerials or masts, just bare bones superstructure.

Misc Weight: 17 tons = 5 tons short-range wireless, 6 tons torpedoes, 6 tons tubes. Maori practice, as I think I've shown in my own drawings, is to have two widely separated engine rooms whenever feasible, for redundancy's sake. (Which, BTW, is one reason they like electric drive - wires are a lot easier to run from the forward room to the screws than shafts) I'd pictured the same 'stacked behind garage doors' arrangement as the first of the destroyer sketches.

That said, it still looks far better than anything I've managed to do. ^_^;;

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Nice drawing. Pretty nicely rams home what "limited use" of hull casemattes means. The ambrazures are what - 9-10 feet above the WL?

I don't know about other fleets, all I can say is that
1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts

is the first item on the "to research" list of the KuKK, if one counts from the bottom up.


Borys

[Sachmle]

Misc Weight: 17 tons = 5 tons short-range wireless, 6 tons torpedoes, 6 tons tubes. Maori practice, as I think I've shown in my own drawings, is to have two widely separated engine rooms whenever feasible, for redundancy's sake. (Which, BTW, is one reason they like electric drive - wires are a lot easier to run from the forward room to the screws than shafts) I'd pictured the same 'stacked behind garage doors' arrangement as the first of the destroyer sketches.

That said, it still looks far better than anything I've managed to do. ^_^;;

Oops on misc weight, I'm used to my cruisers having 20ish torps in hull mounts so I have like 40t in misc weight just for torpedos.  Anywho, here's the "Maoria" style w/ the wide engine spacing and the W/T and FC added in.

[Sachmle]

Ahoj!
Nice drawing. Pretty nicely rams home what "limited use" of hull casemattes means. The ambrazures are what - 9-10 feet above the WL?

I don't know about other fleets, all I can say is that
1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts

is the first item on the "to research" list of the KuKK, if one counts from the bottom up.


Borys

Is funny, no? Thisa guy, he makea me laugh hard belly laugh all the times. :D :D

[Valles]

Oops on misc weight, I'm used to my cruisers having 20ish torps in hull mounts so I have like 40t in misc weight just for torpedos.  Anywho, here's the "Maoria" style w/ the wide engine spacing and the W/T and FC added in.

Bingo. I believe you have it, sir!

And Maori practice is/will be not to carry reloads aboard actual torpedo-delivery ships. With Support Cruisers near at hand and the near-certainty of taking craploads of fire in the course of their mission, having any more big freaking bombs aboard than absolutely necessary seems... unwise.

[Tanthalas]

I list them as proposals if they are future or no freking way ships

[Ithekro]

I would recommend starting a new thread for new ships per year to give the reader a clue that these are for later years or just proposals.

I would aslo suggest filling in the encyclopedia entry for Maoria's Navy so the rest of us will know what you have at present.

[Desertfox]

I think the idea is for everyone to build the perfect ship acording to them.  If its actualy perfect or not well thats a mater of perspective, the rules are such that everyone will in the end build similar ships, however there will be and are fundemental diferances.

Looks like you never looked at my Rolling Thunder Super (Floating Magazine) Cruiser, or the 11" gunned - 4" armored Raider. They where not proposals, they where going to be built! As where the Spurious and Outrageous Swiss clones, The US Lexingtons (with 6" belts) and had it been possible the US 1912 BC proposals! Yes I was deliberately going to build FLAWED ship. ;D

Lose the armor and go faster. OMG I sound like DF....ow..ow.oh the pain.

Well someone has to take my place... ;)

@ Valles, I like your ships. They are so unique, especially the NelRod DD. I for one actually like the fact that you are armoring your DDs. It gives them a more Maorian feel. It moght not be a good idea, b ut then we are not perfect.

[P3D]

IIRC the twin gun mount of this cruiser tech is not full barbette, and can be armored only with splinter protection (2" armor). Thicker armor would require the full barbette and the next tech.

Ah, and I also miss the ammo hoists.