Maori Fleet

[Valles]

Mako, Maoria Light Cruiser laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   5,214 t light; 5,438 t standard; 5,848 t normal; 6,176 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   398.34 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   121.42 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      32 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 824 lbs / 374 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     78.71 ft / 23.99 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Upper:   2.36" / 60 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0.79" / 20 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   18.44 ft / 5.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.36" / 60 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   2.36" / 60 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 3 shafts, 16,675 shp / 12,440 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 737 tons

Complement:
   333 - 434

Cost:
   £0.375 million / $1.500 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 103 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 2,307 tons, 39.5 %
      - Belts: 1,368 tons, 23.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 169 tons, 2.9 %
      - Armament: 150 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 565 tons, 9.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 55 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 758 tons, 13.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,711 tons, 29.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 634 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 335 tons, 5.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,538 lbs / 4,780 Kg = 102.3 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.88

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.575
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.43 ft / 0.74 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Stern:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,920 Square feet or 1,200 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 352 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

60 tons misc weight
25 tons Marconi
250 tons fire control

Class of 6:

Mako
Ururoa
Pere
Ripi
Tope
Tuatini



Final draft. Before anyone calls the armor excessive, I'd like to note that this class is intended to for a mission that would make the avoidance of enemy battleships impossible. They're designed to be able to take it, instead.

[P3D]

The mounts should still have only splinter (1") protection. This design offers almost no savings and no advantage whatsoever over the armored cruisers. And 2kts speed advantage is not enough to act as a separate screen - aim for a 4kts difference at least.
Have two twin 8" mounts and 25kts speed. I'd also note that the belt is extremely shallow and there might be a good chance of an underbelt hit.

I like, however, that you really want to do make some nonconventional fleet, without using hindsight.

Does Maoria have already discovered, easily accessible oil deposits?

[Borys]

I herewith proclaim that Maoria produces a little less than Austria - 1 million tonnes/7bbl (or the other way around).
Search for new fields continues.

Borys

[Valles]

The mounts should still have only splinter (1") protection. This design offers almost no savings and no advantage whatsoever over the armored cruisers. And 2kts speed advantage is not enough to act as a separate screen - aim for a 4kts difference at least.
Have two twin 8" mounts and 25kts speed. I'd also note that the belt is extremely shallow and there might be a good chance of an underbelt hit.

I tried that and it got shouted down, recall. Also, first, Maori screening procedures do not call for a separate group of light ships - they are integral to the battle line. Second, we obviously have different definitions of splinters. ^_^

[P3D]

3" is not splinter protection.

I have no problem with twin 200mm turrets on barbettes having 280mm armor. I have problems putting them on mounts 'with hoist'.

[Borys]

Splinter protection - would that be from 0,5 to 1,5 inch? Or up to 2"?

Borys

[Korpen]

Splinter protection - would that be from 0,5 to 1,5 inch? Or up to 2"?

Borys

I think around half of all light cruisers in the world (navalism) have around 50mm gunshields.

[Valles]

Ma, Maoria Customs Boat laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   83 t light; 85 t standard; 91 t normal; 95 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   142.60 ft / 131.23 ft x 9.84 ft x 4.92 ft (normal load)
   43.46 m / 40.00 m x 3.00 m  x 1.50 m

Armament:
      1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      3 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns (1x3 guns), 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mount
     on centreline aft
      3 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns (1x3 guns), 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mount
     on side amidships
   Weight of broadside 4 lbs / 2 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 0

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 301 shp / 225 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 10 tons

Complement:
   14 - 19

Cost:
   £0.005 million / $0.021 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 14 tons, 15.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 44 tons, 48.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8 tons, 8.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 27.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     40 lbs / 18 Kg = 10.5 x 2.0 " / 50 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 0.72
   Metacentric height 0.1 ft / 0.0 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 13.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 7.58 ft / 2.31 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m (6.56 ft / 2.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Stern:      6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   7.35 ft / 2.24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 73.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 827 Square feet or 77 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 161 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 14 lbs/sq ft or 70 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.77
      - Longitudinal: 10.91
      - Overall: 1.00
   Caution: Poor stability - excessive risk of capsizing
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weights 1 ton
Short-Range Wireless 5 tons
Ama 12 tons
Ama booms 7 tons

Real beam 13m; real stability 1.50; Machine gun mounts are 3-barrel gatling types.

[Borys]

Machine gun mounts are 3-barrel gatling types.

Oh, did Maoria miss Maxim's, Hotchkiss', and tutti quanti's inventions?

Borys

[maddox]

Thanks to that remark, Korpen, I found a flaw in my Quebec light cruisers.

2" Front splinter shields, but 5" weathershield.

Now changed to a more "logical" configuration. The weight that came available went into mount and hoist on those ships.

But the shields are still 2"

[Valles]

Oh, did Maoria miss Maxim's, Hotchkiss', and tutti quanti's inventions?

Yes and no. They're aware of them, but they like sustained fire guns and their natively developed version of a man-portable gatling was lighter than the water-cooled versions of the imported guns.

Also, Maori infantry tech is tres crappy. I'm in the market for anyone willing to sell better, BTW. ^_^ I'll likely stick with gatling types even after, though. I think they make an interesting contrast...

[Borys]

If you let me recruit for the Foreign Legion, I'll train your army :)

The gatlings you have are hand-cranked - otherwise they weight like a water cooled two pounder Maxim :) - aka the pom-pom

Borys

[maddox]

Your close by neighbor, French Polynesia, is always being welcoming for Maorian traders, tourists and invaders.

Maybe a hint.... :)

[Ithekro]

Non-mobile mschanical steam powered versions might be amusing....

[Valles]

Non-mobile mschanical steam powered versions might be amusing....

Especially since they'd've started life as experiments, preparatory to finding out how well the concept can be made to scale up.


A Ma-class customs vessel.


A Type 3 Royal Air Corps rigid. 1 10,000 hp lightweight steam turbine driving, via shaft, 4 steerable 12 foot props. Top speed about... *looks up the Rules on airships* ...crap. I'd misremembered the volume limits, this is the next-generation design rather than the current one.

Mrgh.