Maori Fleet

[Sachmle]

Dante?

Anyway, I don't think weird is the word. There are real examples of what I'm planning in service today, after all.

He means the Italian BB Dante Aligheri.

[Valles]

Gentlemen, we have the technology. We can rebuild them. We can make them stronger, tougher...

Koikoi, Maoria Battleship laid down 1906 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   31,112 t light; 32,488 t standard; 34,486 t normal; 36,084 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   708.47 ft / 705.38 ft x 98.43 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
   215.94 m / 215.00 m x 30.00 m  x 7.00 m

Armament:
      12 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (4x3 guns), 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      32 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, 16 raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 11,945 lbs / 5,418 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   423.23 ft / 129.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   282.12 ft / 85.99 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   705.38 ft / 215.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   423.23 ft / 129.00 m   22.18 ft / 6.76 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      10.8" / 275 mm
   3rd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -
   4th:   2.36" / 60 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 5.51" / 140 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 22,527 ihp / 16,805 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,595 tons

Complement:
   1,264 - 1,644

Cost:
   £2.494 million / $9.978 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,493 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 14,663 tons, 42.5 %
      - Belts: 4,724 tons, 13.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 547 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 3,157 tons, 9.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 5,965 tons, 17.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 270 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,081 tons, 3.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,350 tons, 38.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,374 tons, 9.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 525 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     93,701 lbs / 42,502 Kg = 113.7 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 16.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 6.6 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.757
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 31 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.54 ft / 0.47 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29.53 ft / 9.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Stern:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   26.51 ft / 8.08 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 56.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 231.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 58,499 Square feet or 5,435 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 170 lbs/sq ft or 830 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.31
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

250 tons assorted unplanned weights
25 tons long-range radio installation
250 tons fire control system and paraphenalia

Class of three, laid down 1906 rebuilt 1912:
Koikoi
Ririate
Whakakaha

[P3D]

You are replacing a 3000t machinery with an 1000t one.
You also want to completely change the armament of the ship.
And completely remove the armor plating and installing new ones.

Adding new armor, turrets and armament is around 10BP and that's not counting the removing and installation of new bulkheads.

[Valles]

That would be why I called it a rebuild, yes. And how much would a completely new battleship to similar standards cost? About three times that. And most of the armoring is in fact unchanged, though perhaps it would need to be reinstalled to match the new hull form.

[Tanthalas]

Im actualy agonizing over much the same problem.  Sink Huge amounts of cash and materials into my 1901 BBs or just say frell it and build new ones

[P3D]

I stand corrected, somehow I misread the armor thicknesses.

[Valles]

For me it's not really that hard a choice. I'm rather shorter of BP than most of us here, so I need to squeeze them 'till they squeal. Also, those who took issue with giving the Koikois new turrets should look at the date for this lot's.

Kerykeion, Maoria Battleship laid down 1898 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   21,074 t light; 21,978 t standard; 23,440 t normal; 24,609 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   597.46 ft / 590.55 ft x 98.43 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   182.10 m / 180.00 m x 30.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (4x2 guns), 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 7,620 lbs / 3,457 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   11.91 ft / 3.63 m
   Ends:   7.87" / 200 mm   236.19 ft / 71.99 m   11.91 ft / 3.63 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   18.34 ft / 5.59 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 18,586 shp / 13,865 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,631 tons

Complement:
   946 - 1,231

Cost:
   £1.641 million / $6.566 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 953 tons, 4.1 %
   Armour: 9,225 tons, 39.4 %
      - Belts: 3,578 tons, 15.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 379 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 2,304 tons, 9.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,756 tons, 11.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 208 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 741 tons, 3.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,700 tons, 41.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,366 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 455 tons, 1.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     67,760 lbs / 30,736 Kg = 82.3 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 13.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.717
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.22 ft / 0.98 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Stern:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   23.23 ft / 7.08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 55.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 218.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 47,297 Square feet or 4,394 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 160 lbs/sq ft or 779 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.42
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

180 tons misc weights
250 tons Fire Control
25 tons long-range wireless

Class of two, laid down 1898, rebuilt 1909, 1914:
Kerykeion
Asclepius

[Tanthalas]

the Problem I have is that even though My BP is Extreamly limited, I built my original BBs to damn small.  at just 350' in length honestly their curent escorts are larger than they are.

[Valles]

This is one of the reasons the Maori tend to favor gigantism - it gives them plenty to work with when the time comes to do something that wasn't part of the original plan.

And speaking of 'not the original plan'...

Wahakatoke, Maoria Armored Cruiser laid down 1900 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   11,572 t light; 12,051 t standard; 12,973 t normal; 13,711 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   461.56 ft / 459.32 ft x 65.62 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
   140.68 m / 140.00 m x 20.00 m  x 7.00 m

Armament:
      3 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      2 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      40 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     24 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 4,634 lbs / 2,102 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 80

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   275.59 ft / 84.00 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   183.69 ft / 55.99 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   275.59 ft / 84.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   275.59 ft / 84.00 m   21.56 ft / 6.57 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 3 shafts, 12,568 shp / 9,376 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,659 tons

Complement:
   607 - 790

Cost:
   £0.962 million / $3.847 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 579 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 5,601 tons, 43.2 %
      - Belts: 2,170 tons, 16.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 346 tons, 2.7 %
      - Armament: 1,254 tons, 9.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,691 tons, 13.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 140 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 501 tons, 3.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,485 tons, 34.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,401 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 405 tons, 3.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27,707 lbs / 12,568 Kg = 33.6 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 5.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.77

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.656
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 28
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.21 ft / 0.37 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,215 Square feet or 2,157 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 621 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.97
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

130 tons misc. unplanned weights
25 tons Marconi
250 tons fire control

Class of 2, laid down 1900 rebuilt 1914:

Wahakatoke
Taomatuku

Annnnnd...

Tahekapatu, Maoria Armored Cruiser laid down 1900 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   12,206 t light; 12,730 t standard; 13,685 t normal; 14,449 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   461.56 ft / 459.32 ft x 65.62 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
   140.68 m / 140.00 m x 20.00 m  x 7.00 m

Armament:
      2 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      24 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     24 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 5,252 lbs / 2,382 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 80

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   275.59 ft / 84.00 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   183.69 ft / 55.99 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   275.59 ft / 84.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   275.59 ft / 84.00 m   22.28 ft / 6.79 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 3 shafts, 13,117 shp / 9,785 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,719 tons

Complement:
   632 - 822

Cost:
   £1.052 million / $4.207 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 656 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 5,929 tons, 43.3 %
      - Belts: 2,174 tons, 15.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 358 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armament: 1,504 tons, 11.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,747 tons, 12.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 146 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 523 tons, 3.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,693 tons, 34.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,479 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 405 tons, 3.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27,447 lbs / 12,450 Kg = 33.3 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.86
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.75

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.692
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 29
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.21 ft / 0.37 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,985 Square feet or 2,228 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 635 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.91
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

130 tons misc. unplanned weights
25 tons Marconi
250 tons fire control

Class of 2, laid down 1900 rebuilt 1912:

Tahekapatu
Pouakai

[Korpen]

Gentlemen, we have the technology. We can rebuild them. We can make them stronger, tougher...

Koikoi, Maoria Battleship laid down 1906 (Engine 1912)

Class of three, laid down 1906 rebuilt 1912:
Koikoi
Ririate
Whakakaha

That is not a rebuild, it is a case of scrapping and reusing components!
The changes to the armament, in combination with the changes to the engines plant and most importantly, the addition of a TB means that pretty much everything behind the hull plates have to be changed, and almost nothing of the original structure can be reused.

[Korpen]

This is one of the reasons the Maori tend to favor gigantism - it gives them plenty to work with when the time comes to do something that wasn't part of the original plan.

And speaking of 'not the original plan'...

Wahakatoke, Maoria Armored Cruiser laid down 1900 (Engine 1912)

Tahekapatu, Maoria Armored Cruiser laid down 1900 (Engine 1912)

I think my argument goes for all of these rebuilds; you are changing so much of the interior architecture of the ships that you are replacing more of the ship then you are keeping. Also the addition and removal of barbarettes also means that most of the load bearing parts of the ships needs reconstruction. Basically it is new ships, were you are using the hull plating of an old one.
After taking a quick look at the numbers, I think that just reusing the armour on new ships will not be any more expensive then theses rebuilds.
Unless of course they got harvey armour, then just scrap.

[Valles]

More tinkering with future concepts. This time, torpedo ships. Though this design doesn't show it, its torpedo mounts are designed to be easily swappable with whatever new type gets developed. Anyway, this is much more of a 'big-boned destroyer' than the light cruiser it qualifies as under the game rules. Crew is extremely minimal for a ship this size, barely a hundred. I went for this because, one, new types of destroyers got prioritized out of the budget and I could build this straight-away, and two, getting a decent seaboat rating out of a destroyer is a trick that has as yet eluded me.

Study TA-1910, Maoria 2nd Rate (Torpedo) laid down 1912

Displacement:
   1,139 t light; 1,188 t standard; 1,304 t normal; 1,398 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   299.81 ft / 295.28 ft x 29.53 ft x 9.84 ft (normal load)
   91.38 m / 90.00 m x 9.00 m  x 3.00 m

Armament:
      2 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 257 lbs / 117 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   12 - 15.7" / 400 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 14,155 shp / 10,559 Kw = 26.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 210 tons

Complement:
   108 - 141

Cost:
   £0.141 million / $0.563 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 32 tons, 2.5 %
   Machinery: 527 tons, 40.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 536 tons, 41.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 165 tons, 12.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 44 tons, 3.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     789 lbs / 358 Kg = 7.7 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.532
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.64 ft / 0.50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m (9.84 ft / 3.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Stern:      9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 153.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,983 Square feet or 556 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 46 lbs/sq ft or 226 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 2.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Korpen]

More tinkering with future concepts. This time, torpedo ships. Though this design doesn't show it, its torpedo mounts are designed to be easily swappable with whatever new type gets developed. Anyway, this is much more of a 'big-boned destroyer' than the light cruiser it qualifies as under the game rules. Crew is extremely minimal for a ship this size, barely a hundred. I went for this because, one, new types of destroyers got prioritized out of the budget and I could build this straight-away, and two, getting a decent seaboat rating out of a destroyer is a trick that has as yet eluded me.
Study TA-1910, Maoria 2nd Rate (Torpedo) laid down 1912

What is the point of the ship? She is too big, slow, and vulnerable to be used for torpedo attacks. And she lacks the firepower to make up for it or be used for screening, in fact many of the TBs in the world outgun her. With 12 torpedo tubes she have too many, torpedoes are expensive, and considering the performance of the torpedoes firing more then two or three is not likely to increase the hit probability.


*I am harsh with the purpose of encouraging some debate. ;)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Destroyers need not have a decent seagoing rating :)
Borys

[Valles]

They do if they want to survive the Maori's southern territorial waters - which they'd need to. That's basically much of the point, in fact - not to break in half if the Latitude South 60 winter decides to sneeze on them wrong.

The rules account for destroyers considerably larger than this design. Her guns are an attempt to force a little respect, not something actually involved in her mission. Worthwhile armor is impossible on this tonnage. Improved torpedoes are an absolute certainty by the time she'd enter service. I thought a two-deck torpedo armament would be interesting. She's considerably faster than any battle line in the world. Scouting is what airships are for.

Anyone who thinks they can do better is invited to step forward; the Maori aren't too proud to steal something they consider a good idea.

ETA: Really what I'd like to do would be to operate MTBs off of some kind of mothership, but if destroyers are tricky with SS then planing boats or hydrofoils are totally impossible.