Maori Fleet

Started by Valles, December 24, 2007, 03:18:06 PM

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Carthaginian

Rohan might be interested in the steam-powered airships.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Valles

QuoteRohan might be interested in the steam-powered airships.
They are for sale. ^_^

Kerykeion, Maoria Battleship laid down 1898 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17,823 t light; 18,196 t standard; 18,667 t normal; 19,043 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   596.99 ft / 590.55 ft x 98.43 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   181.96 m / 180.00 m x 30.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns in single mounts, 244.10lbs / 110.72kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1898 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6,175 lbs / 2,801 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 0

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   383.86 ft / 117.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   7.87" / 200 mm   206.66 ft / 62.99 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   7.87" / 200 mm   383.86 ft / 117.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   7.87" / 200 mm         -               -
   3rd:   2.36" / 60 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 10,194 ihp / 7,605 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 847 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   798 - 1,038

Cost:
   £1.488 million / $5.954 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 772 tons, 4.1 %
   Armour: 7,602 tons, 40.7 %
      - Belts: 4,716 tons, 25.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,502 tons, 8.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,205 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 179 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,545 tons, 8.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,724 tons, 41.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 844 tons, 4.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 180 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45,011 lbs / 20,417 Kg = 54.6 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 5.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 7.8 ft / 2.4 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.571
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 28 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.22 ft / 0.98 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Stern:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 57.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 226.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 41,372 Square feet or 3,844 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 696 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

180 tons misc weights

Class of two, laid down 1898:
Kerykeion
Asclepius


These two just came out of rebuilt in 1909H2.

Kerykeion, Maoria Battleship laid down 1898 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   17,238 t light; 17,600 t standard; 18,078 t normal; 18,461 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   597.46 ft / 590.55 ft x 98.43 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   182.10 m / 180.00 m x 30.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1898 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 5,870 lbs / 2,662 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 0

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   11.91 ft / 3.63 m
   Ends:   7.87" / 200 mm   236.19 ft / 71.99 m   11.91 ft / 3.63 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   18.34 ft / 5.59 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 14,993 shp / 11,184 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 861 tons

Complement:
   779 - 1,013

Cost:
   £1.315 million / $5.260 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 734 tons, 4.1 %
   Armour: 7,141 tons, 39.5 %
      - Belts: 3,553 tons, 19.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 379 tons, 2.1 %
      - Armament: 1,850 tons, 10.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,185 tons, 6.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 175 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 681 tons, 3.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,227 tons, 45.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 840 tons, 4.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 455 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     55,077 lbs / 24,982 Kg = 66.9 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 12.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.553
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.22 ft / 0.98 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Stern:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   23.23 ft / 7.08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 55.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 228.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 40,679 Square feet or 3,779 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 750 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.57
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

180 tons misc weights
250 tons Fire Control
25 tons long-range wireless

Class of two, laid down 1898, rebuilt 1909:
Kerykeion
Asclepius

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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Sachmle

Quote from: Valles on December 30, 2007, 11:36:56 PM
Kerykeion, Maoria Battleship laid down 1898 (Engine 1909)

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns in single mounts, 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     
Did you intend for single mounts, i.e. four single turrets, or perhaps two twins?
"All treaties between great states cease to be binding when they come in conflict with the struggle for existence."
Otto von Bismarck

"Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world."
Kaiser Wilhelm

"If stupidity were painfull I would be deaf from all the screaming." Sam A. Grim

Valles

Whups! Yes, those should be a pair of 2-gun turrets, yeah. ^_^;;;
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Valles

Maki, Maoria Escort Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   5,894 t light; 6,128 t standard; 6,832 t normal; 7,395 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   388.66 ft / 380.58 ft x 52.49 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   118.46 m / 116.00 m x 16.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
      32 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 1,030 lbs / 467 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   266.40 ft / 81.20 m   8.69 ft / 2.65 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   114.14 ft / 34.79 m   8.69 ft / 2.65 m
   Upper:   2.36" / 60 mm   266.40 ft / 81.20 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0.79" / 20 mm   266.40 ft / 81.20 m   18.70 ft / 5.70 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.36" / 60 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      2.36" / 60 mm
   2nd:   2.36" / 60 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 3 shafts, 19,257 shp / 14,365 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,267 tons

Complement:
   375 - 488

Cost:
   £0.437 million / $1.748 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 129 tons, 1.9 %
   Armour: 2,333 tons, 34.2 %
      - Belts: 1,319 tons, 19.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 145 tons, 2.1 %
      - Armament: 171 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 643 tons, 9.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 55 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 875 tons, 12.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,181 tons, 31.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 938 tons, 13.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 375 tons, 5.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,848 lbs / 6,281 Kg = 134.5 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.04 ft / 1.23 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Stern:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.97 ft / 7.00 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,721 Square feet or 1,368 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 381 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.85
      - Longitudinal: 4.16
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

100 tons assorted random weights
250 tons fire control
25 tons long-range wireless

Class of 6:

Maki
Tupoupou
Terehu
Aihe
Upokohue
Iheihe


The first class of ships to be built under Maoria's new policy of openness; essentially they're repeat Makos.
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Borys

Ahoj!
Could you draw that?
I'd love to see those 16 three incher in two storey arrangement on each side.
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Valles

The Mako class has the same secondary battery... but yeah, I'm planning to draw all of the Maori's ships eventually.
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Valles

Behold! Pictures!


Maki class, as promised.


And the Wahaketoke class, which mutated under the pen as I got a better look at how they were put together.
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Carthaginian

Wow...
The prolific anti-TB guns made a few of my destroyer skippers pee in their pants when they were handed the new sketches for their recognition manuals. They already 'rechristened' the Mako class as the Porcupine and the Wahaketoke as the Briar Patch.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Borys

The word "hedgehog" did cross my mind ...
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Tanthalas

Italian Comanders remarked on the old Phalanx Infantry formation...
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Sachmle

#71
And the NUS is remineded of the fight to unify the former colonies across the Andes, where there seemed to be something shooting out of every crack in the mountain.
"All treaties between great states cease to be binding when they come in conflict with the struggle for existence."
Otto von Bismarck

"Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world."
Kaiser Wilhelm

"If stupidity were painfull I would be deaf from all the screaming." Sam A. Grim

Valles

The comparison to a phalanx is quite apt. A schiltron would be an even better one. ^_^

Not having any useful ones to benchmark with themselves, the Maori tend to take torpedoes and torpedo-boats very seriously.

What they'll do once I'm allowed to build turreted secondaries will be worse, though.

Muahahahahaha!
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Tanthalas

LOL dont get them started... I already tryed to build Dante... Mostly cause I wanted somthing Wierd ^.^
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Valles

Dante?

Anyway, I don't think weird is the word. There are real examples of what I'm planning in service today, after all.
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair