Maori Fleet

[Valles]

Tahekapatu, Maoria Armored Cruiser laid down 1900 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   11,976 t light; 12,230 t standard; 12,736 t normal; 13,140 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   461.56 ft / 459.32 ft x 65.62 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
   140.68 m / 140.00 m x 20.00 m  x 7.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 9.84" / 250 mm guns (2x2 guns), 476.75lbs / 216.25kg shells, 1900 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 9.84" / 250 mm guns (4x2 guns), 476.75lbs / 216.25kg shells, 1900 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 5,927 lbs / 2,688 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 0

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   321.52 ft / 98.00 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   137.76 ft / 41.99 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   321.52 ft / 98.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   6.69" / 170 mm      9.84" / 250 mm
   2nd:   9.84" / 250 mm   6.69" / 170 mm      9.84" / 250 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 9.84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 12,386 ihp / 9,240 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 910 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   599 - 779

Cost:
   £1.317 million / $5.267 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 741 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 4,379 tons, 34.4 %
      - Belts: 1,726 tons, 13.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,701 tons, 13.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 836 tons, 6.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 116 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,966 tons, 15.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,634 tons, 36.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 760 tons, 6.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 255 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,231 lbs / 6,002 Kg = 27.8 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 49 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.83
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.644
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.21 ft / 0.37 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m before break)
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.39 ft / 5.30 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,961 Square feet or 2,133 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 664 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.71
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

130 tons misc. unplanned weights
25 tons Marconi
100 tons fire control

Class of 4:

Wahakatoke
Taomatuku
Tahekapatu
Pouakai

[Tanthalas]

one thing I should point out (well someone should anyway) Fire control is 250 tons (dont ask me why I never had it and still dont)

[P3D]

You most probably don't have the technology to build that light cruiser, you can only have 6" guns in single mounts with hoist.

[Valles]

You most probably don't have the technology to build that light cruiser, you can only have 6" guns in single mounts with hoist.

Ah! Right; I'd conceived the class as essentially more of an Armored Cruiser writ small than a true light, but it is an escort, and listing it as one would require that...

'kay, how 'bout...

Mako, Maoria Light Cruiser laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   5,725 t light; 6,042 t standard; 6,479 t normal; 6,828 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   398.34 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   121.42 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      32 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 1,442 lbs / 654 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     78.71 ft / 23.99 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Upper:   2.36" / 60 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0.79" / 20 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   18.44 ft / 5.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   2.36" / 60 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 18,152 shp / 13,541 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 786 tons

Complement:
   360 - 469

Cost:
   £0.467 million / $1.869 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 180 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 2,374 tons, 36.6 %
      - Belts: 1,165 tons, 18.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 169 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armament: 383 tons, 5.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 598 tons, 9.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 59 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 825 tons, 12.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,011 tons, 31.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 754 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 335 tons, 5.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,094 lbs / 4,578 Kg = 98.0 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.43 ft / 0.74 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Stern:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,688 Square feet or 1,272 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 399 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

60 tons misc weight
25 tons Marconi
250 tons fire control

Class of 6:

Mako
Ururoa
Pere
Ripi
Tope
Tuatini

[Tanthalas]

looks fine to me, only thing i would point out is seams a tad heavy (i consider a CL somthing in the 2-3K ton range but that could just be my bias for micro ships ^.^)

[Valles]

looks fine to me, only thing i would point out is seams a tad heavy (i consider a CL somthing in the 2-3K ton range but that could just be my bias for micro ships ^.^)

And, since I and/or the Maori have a thing for macro-ships, that'd be perfect! ^_^

[The Rock Doctor]

Um...

I know Springsharp may think you can get 42 medium caliber guns aboard a 6,000 t ship, but I doubt any historical ship of like size comes anywhere close to that...

[Valles]

75mm is medium? Huh.



Mako, Maoria Light Cruiser laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   5,071 t light; 5,292 t standard; 5,696 t normal; 6,018 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   398.34 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   121.42 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      32 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 824 lbs / 374 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     78.71 ft / 23.99 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Upper:   2.36" / 60 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0.79" / 20 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   18.44 ft / 5.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   2.36" / 60 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 3 shafts, 16,321 shp / 12,175 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 726 tons

Complement:
   327 - 426

Cost:
   £0.368 million / $1.471 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 103 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 2,162 tons, 38.0 %
      - Belts: 1,161 tons, 20.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 169 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armament: 221 tons, 3.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 557 tons, 9.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 742 tons, 13.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,729 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 624 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 335 tons, 5.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,123 lbs / 4,592 Kg = 98.3 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.88

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 37
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.43 ft / 0.74 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Stern:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,739 Square feet or 1,184 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 358 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.45
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

60 tons misc weight
25 tons Marconi
250 tons fire control

Class of 6:

Mako
Ururoa
Pere
Ripi
Tope
Tuatini

[maddox]

She looks French.

the 4 main guns distributed lay out is rather French.

But for the rest, I like her.

[P3D]

Ah, another thing. Those mounts with hoists should not have more than splinter armor (1"). It would be very difficult to train the hoists otherwise.

Even so, 8" armored mounts are full turrets with barbettes.

The rule is restrictive so that people won't build Clevelands in 1907.

[Tanthalas]

Mumbles about aviation ships and other interesting things ^.^

[P3D]

Aviation ships should be seaplane tenders. Only those suffering a serious case of hindsightitis could justify "aircraft carriers".

[Tanthalas]

Aviation ships should be seaplane tenders. Only those suffering a serious case of hindsightitis could justify "aircraft carriers".

LOL actualy I personaly am not even sure we are to that point yet, aircraft Transport ships maybe But other than an old broken down GG that got striped down to nothing to conduct Experiments with aircraft I dont have any plans on building a carrier...  Well yet anyway ^.^

[Valles]

So, wait, serious armor is verboten in light cruisers? That will never do... This class is intended to maintain a torpedo-boat screen all through a battle. Having them designed so that any idle gunner or freak miss can just make them kinda 'go away' seems extremely contrary to that purpose.

...nrrrrg. Okay, apparently I was wrong about jpg being the only format that absolutely ruined any coloring. Crap.

Mako, Maoria Escort Cruiser laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   6,690 t light; 7,197 t standard; 7,683 t normal; 8,072 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   398.34 ft / 393.70 ft x 52.49 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   121.42 m / 120.00 m x 16.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (2x2 guns), 244.10lbs / 110.72kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 2,830 lbs / 1,284 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     78.71 ft / 23.99 m   8.14 ft / 2.48 m
   Upper:   2.36" / 60 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0.79" / 20 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   18.44 ft / 5.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   3rd:   2.36" / 60 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 9.84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 3 shafts, 14,199 shp / 10,593 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 876 tons

Complement:
   409 - 533

Cost:
   £0.622 million / $2.487 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 354 tons, 4.6 %
   Armour: 2,985 tons, 38.9 %
      - Belts: 1,414 tons, 18.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 169 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armament: 620 tons, 8.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 699 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 83 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 645 tons, 8.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,370 tons, 30.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 993 tons, 12.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 335 tons, 4.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,272 lbs / 5,567 Kg = 50.3 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.661
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.43 ft / 0.74 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Stern:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,992 Square feet or 1,486 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 92 lbs/sq ft or 451 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.18
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

60 tons misc weight
25 tons Marconi
250 tons fire control

Class of 6:

Mako
Ururoa
Pere
Ripi
Tope
Tuatini

[P3D]

Light cruisers during WWI had only single mounts.  The Omahas has only twin gunhouses, and that's what is allowed by the 1910 cruiser tech. The first cruiser with full 6" turrets were the French Duguay-Trouin Class, laid down in 1922.

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