Maori Fleet

[Tanthalas]

We agreed IMO that the twin gun mount of this cruiser tech is not full barbette, and can be armored only with splinter protection (2" armor). Thicker armor would require the full barbette and the next tech?

no idea other than the one twin mount and hoist proposal I havnt even tryed to sim a CL with twins, and that was just splinter protection anyway.

[Valles]

IIRC the twin gun mount of this cruiser tech is not full barbette, and can be armored only with splinter protection (2" armor). Thicker armor would require the full barbette and the next tech.

Ah? Oh, yes. Let me see...

2kton Armored Can, Maoria Destroyer Concept laid down 1920

Displacement:
   1,935 t light; 1,988 t standard; 2,220 t normal; 2,405 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   333.52 ft / 328.08 ft x 32.81 ft x 13.12 ft (normal load)
   101.66 m / 100.00 m x 10.00 m  x 4.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns (4x3 guns), 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 103 lbs / 47 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   328.08 ft / 100.00 m   6.89 ft / 2.10 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 25,773 shp / 19,227 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 417 tons

Complement:
   161 - 210

Cost:
   £0.463 million / $1.852 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 13 tons, 0.6 %
   Armour: 601 tons, 27.1 %
      - Belts: 395 tons, 17.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 25 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 164 tons, 7.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 838 tons, 37.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 462 tons, 20.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 285 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 21 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,033 lbs / 468 Kg = 80.2 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 12.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.97 ft / 0.60 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Stern:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.65 ft / 4.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,512 Square feet or 698 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 158 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.56
      - Longitudinal: 1.43
      - Overall: 0.61
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

6 tons torpedoes
6 tons torpedo tubes
5 tons short-range wireless
4 tons power traversing gear

Do not tell me 'can't' unless you have real authority to back it up.

[Korpen]

Ah? Oh, yes. Let me see...

2kton Armored Can, Maoria Destroyer Concept laid down 1920

Displacement:
   1,935 t light; 1,988 t standard; 2,220 t normal; 2,405 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   333.52 ft / 328.08 ft x 32.81 ft x 13.12 ft (normal load)
   101.66 m / 100.00 m x 10.00 m  x 4.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns (4x3 guns), 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 103 lbs / 47 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes


Do not tell me 'can't' unless you have real authority to back it up.

Would it not be a good idea to put some guns on her (75s does no count)?

And i agree with Ithekro, try and post the designs in service in the encyclopaedia, this thread is a mess with different sort of designs, ideas, studies and suggestions. It is pretty hard to try and figure out what is what.

[Valles]

Would it not be a good idea to put some guns on her (75s does no count)?

Why on earth wouldn't they?

And i agree with Ithekro, try and post the designs in service in the encyclopaedia, this thread is a mess with different sort of designs, ideas, studies and suggestions. It is pretty hard to try and figure out what is what.

I'd sort of forgotten about that for a while, but it is now once again in progress. Sketch of Kerykeion is now, like, 70-80% complete, probably finished by the end of the day.

[Korpen]

Would it not be a good idea to put some guns on her (75s does no count)?

Why on earth wouldn't they?

Because they have very limited effectiveness against ships of more then 500 ton displacement. By 1920 the likely opposing ships will at least have 10cm guns, more likely 12-13cm guns, and even if they are not armoured the effect of a 75mm shell on them will be far smaller then the effect of12-13cm hits on this cruiser.
Also, the effective range of a 75mm gun is not greater then effective torpedo range (below 20hm) by that date.

I'd sort of forgotten about that for a while, but it is now once again in progress. Sketch of Kerykeion is now, like, 70-80% complete, probably finished by the end of the day.

Just upload the Sims, and then add the pictures as you finish them, that is what I did. :)

EDIT:
A little thought; Maori is isolated and have no neighbours close by, this means that unless Maori is planning offensive operations you are unlikely to engage the kind of small costal forces against which 75s is effective. It seems a more likely enemy would  to be larger DDs and cruisers that can operate across oceans.

[Valles]

I'm wanting something more interesting than simple poles for the masts, yet less generic than a tripod. A triangular truss seems plausible to me...

[Sachmle]

I like the truss, it looks very original. Hell, I like the way the whole ship looks honestly. Very spartan, or even Russian superstructure. Less to replace after getting shot I suppose. Very nice. ;)