New Build to suplement the curent 10" cruisers

[Tanthalas]

aka just basicly a newer version, or if im allowed to build the maorian people it could be Maoria 1.



Gothicus, Italia Combat Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   8,578 t light; 8,980 t standard; 9,520 t normal; 9,952 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   430.00 ft / 420.00 ft x 66.70 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
   131.06 m / 128.02 m x 20.33 m  x 6.71 m

Armament:
      6 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x3 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      24 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft
   Weight of broadside 3,657 lbs / 1,659 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   222.00 ft / 67.67 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   198.00 ft / 60.35 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   220.00 ft / 67.06 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 81 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 28,000 shp / 20,888 Kw = 23.22 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 973 tons

Complement:
   481 - 626

Cost:
   £0.862 million / $3.450 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 457 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 3,259 tons, 34.2 %
      - Belts: 1,777 tons, 18.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 688 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 717 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 77 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,273 tons, 13.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,490 tons, 36.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 942 tons, 9.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,039 lbs / 5,461 Kg = 24.1 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.541
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.30 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 24.45 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forecastle (23 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (40 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (23 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.20 ft / 5.24 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,380 Square feet or 1,800 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 590 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.13
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Changed the pic

[Ithekro]

Kind of 1920s and 30s look there isn't it?

The angled pole looks odd.  What keeps it standing and stable?

[Tanthalas]

Hadnt quite goten to that yet lol not exactly sure what holds it up LOL but I wanted it to look like a Knife, and it added to the look

[The Rock Doctor]

If we didn't have battlecruisers and large armored cruisers sprouting up all over, I'd say it was a decent design.

[Carthaginian]

If we didn't have battlecruisers and large armored cruisers sprouting up all over, I'd say it was a decent design.

Hmmmm... time for a Washington-esque Treaty?

[The Rock Doctor]

Eeek!

[P3D]

Limit the building of France, Italy and Japan? Sure, why not ;)

[Tanthalas]

TBH im not impressed with BCs, why put that kind of cash into one ship when i can build 2 for less that will do the same job?

[Carthaginian]

Well, the CSA doesn't see the need for BC's.
To build a ship that is made to kill cruisers without getting gaggle-F'ed into the whole 'line of battle' thing, the CSA believes in building a cruiser of large displacement with speed and survivability prioritized over armament. The only reason that these designs haven't seen the light of day is that so many so-called 'battle cruisers' are starting to show up.

[P3D]

23kts ships won't catch a 25kts commerce raider. Or scout for a 20-21kts battleline effectively.

[Ithekro]

Battle Cruisers seem to be the thing in the Pacific.  Mainly because we need the range, speed, and firepower that most cruiser hulls and the slower battleships can't provide.

[Tanthalas]

Battle Cruisers seem to be the thing in the Pacific.  Mainly because we need the range, speed, and firepower that most cruiser hulls and the slower battleships can't provide.

My thing is if your spending as much as a BB on it it should preform like a BB.  If there was a fight between a 9X14 BB and a 9X14 BC which would win? The BB is the obvious answer, however The BC could easily run away... you dont win wars by runing away you win them by going into the lions den and kicking his ass.  A Navys job is as it has always been B.S.U.  (thats Blow Shit Up for you non military types).  If it has BB guns you will try to fight BBs with it, its simple Echonomics.

[Sachmle]

I would prefer Cathaginians idea of an AC but I find myself with limited options for "mutual defense" and plenty of "Colonial" powers around who I (IC) fear may try to colonize me. With a limited budget I planned Isla de Pascua as a quasi-BC to save from having to build a BB and ACs, this can do most of the job of both, plus she has far superior speed to any of the ships in my fleet, save DD/TBs.  Think Greece w/ the Averoff (I know she's an AC, but they used her like a BB) she'll be the most powerfull ship in my fleet for years cuz I can't afford to build anything bigger in the forseeable future. I'll now be able to spend my $ & BP on midsize fast cruisers and sooner than later, larger DDs basically forgoing BBs and ACs.

EDIT: Fixed typos

[maddox]

23kts ships won't catch a 25kts commerce raider. Or scout for a 20-21kts battleline effectively.

25+kts commerce raiders can only do that job. An adequatly protected convoy- and that is another lesson learned from the Pacific war, is nothing to be attacked with a ship that has legs and endurance, but not the stamina to take punches.

[P3D]

Fleet scouting force

You need some excess speed to be able to scout for the battleline, about 5kts (look at the speed difference between BBs and BCs). So you either slow down your battleline by 2kts or accept worse situation awareness. Big gun is needed to engage the opponent scouting force to deny him the information of one's position. After the enemy fleet is located, the own battleline could maneuver into advantageous position, bringing the full force against the end of the opposing battlelines.

A 23kts cruiser would have the additional disadvantage of not being able to engage 27kts light cruisers.