New Gran Colombian Ships for 1909

[The Rock Doctor]

No, I mean "all forward" in the sense that they're forward (or at) the change in freeboard.

[Sachmle]

But only the 8 under the superstructure are "forward" of the mid break. Plus, technically the 8 aft aren't in the hull, but on deck.

[Walter]

1 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1909 Model
    Breech loading gun in casemate mount
    on centreline aft
    1 gun in hull casemate - Limited use in heavy seas

I assume that the logic of this gun is to get a little bit more speed out of the ship. ;D

No, I mean "all forward" in the sense that they're forward (or at) the change in freeboard.

I have to agree with Sachmle. Remember that the break is in the middle of the ship. That would be between the second and third funnel. That means that the aft 8 140mm guns on the sides are at a significant distance (at least in my eyes) after the break and not in front of them so it should be "side, end fore>=aft". Also, because they're after the break, I would think that those 8 guns are no longer 'hull casemates' but in regular above deck casemates.
If the break was at 70%, then the guns would indeed be all forward.

But only the 8 under the superstructure are "forward" of the mid break. Plus, technically the 8 aft aren't in the hull, but on deck.

Precisely... You beat me to it, but I am too lazy to edit my post on that matter. :D

[The Rock Doctor]

I'll re-sim that way and determine whether it makes a difference to anything...

[Walter]

Probably not too much as they are a ll in casemates.

[Carthaginian]

SWOOSH
*this is the sound of a hundred eyebrows being raised in Richmond*

The Confederate Navy looks upon this vessel with extreme envy and congratulates the Armada de Gran Colombia on the laydown of what looks to be one of, if not the finest, of the so-called 'battle cruisers' that are being launched lately.

[The Rock Doctor]

"Why, thank you", the Armada replies.

Simming the ship different - to tackle the secondary casemates differently - does have some effect on the miscellaneous weight.  So I'll be posting a tweaked design - with a 14 cm upper belt instead of 15 cm - later.

[The Rock Doctor]

Re-simmed as suggested.  It hiked up the gun armor by around 30 t, and that cost me more miscellaneous weight than I was comfy with, so I dropped the upper belt and casemate face armor slightly - and that let me bump the misc. weight up some instead.

Also had a slightly impact on seakeeping/stability compared to the original. 

Luchador, laid down 1909

Displacement:
   21,070 t light; 22,039 t standard; 24,228 t normal; 25,978 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   688.98 ft / 688.98 ft x 83.66 ft x 24.93 ft (normal load)
   210.00 m / 210.00 m x 25.50 m  x 7.60 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.67kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all forward
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships - Limited use in heavy seas
     1 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading gun in casemate mount
     on centreline aft
     1 gun in hull casemate - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading anti-airship guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 8,435 lbs / 3,826 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   403.54 ft / 123.00 m   10.99 ft / 3.35 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   285.43 ft / 87.00 m   10.99 ft / 3.35 m
   Upper:   5.51" / 140 mm   403.54 ft / 123.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   403.54 ft / 123.00 m   23.39 ft / 7.13 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   7.09" / 180 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   14 cm:   5.51" / 140 mm         -         5.91" / 150 mm
   AA:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   QF:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 24.03 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 3,939 tons)

Complement:
   970 - 1,262

Cost:
   £1.956 million / $7.823 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,054 tons, 4.4 %
   Armour: 8,128 tons, 33.6 %
      - Belts: 3,503 tons, 14.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 550 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 2,341 tons, 9.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,521 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 213 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,376 tons, 9.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,145 tons, 37.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,158 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 366 tons, 1.5 %
   -78 t:  50 mm thick splinter bulkhead separating 140 mm casemates 2&3, and 6&7, on each side.
   -50 t:  Long range wireless, short range wireless, and extra flag signals facilities
   -25 t:  Flag facilities
   -25 t:  Extra pumps and generators for damage control
   -6 t:  Machine guns (not allocated for in the SS report)
   -182 t:  Weight reserve


Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,233 lbs / 12,806 Kg = 32.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.590
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.24 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.87 ft / 8.80 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.95 ft / 7.30 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.95 ft / 7.30 m (16.08 ft / 4.90 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.08 ft / 4.90 m
      - Stern:      16.08 ft / 4.90 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.41 ft / 6.22 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 41,765 Square feet or 3,880 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 751 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.05
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily