Finaly somthing I could be semi satisfied with

[Tanthalas]

as a 14" bb that is

Italia-BB-1910, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   18,000 t light; 18,942 t standard; 20,325 t normal; 21,431 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   530.80 ft / 525.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   161.79 m / 160.02 m x 25.91 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9,431 lbs / 4,278 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   297.36 ft / 90.64 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   227.62 ft / 69.38 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   297.36 ft / 90.64 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   297.36 ft / 90.64 m   23.41 ft / 7.14 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 24,065 shp / 17,953 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 7,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,489 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   850 - 1,106

Cost:
   £1.766 million / $7.065 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,158 tons, 5.7 %
   Armour: 7,791 tons, 38.3 %
      - Belts: 3,931 tons, 19.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 386 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 2,031 tons, 10.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,251 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 193 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,168 tons, 5.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,673 tons, 37.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,325 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 210 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     31,587 lbs / 14,328 Kg = 23.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 5.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.638
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.18 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (22 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (22 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.09 ft / 5.82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,799 Square feet or 3,140 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 164 lbs/sq ft or 802 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.64
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

the other option

Italia-BB-1910, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   20,000 t light; 21,144 t standard; 22,632 t normal; 23,822 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   530.80 ft / 525.00 ft x 89.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   161.79 m / 160.02 m x 27.13 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      8 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3 mounts), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 12,231 lbs / 5,548 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   315.00 ft / 96.01 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   209.98 ft / 64.00 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   315.00 ft / 96.01 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   315.00 ft / 96.01 m   24.18 ft / 7.37 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 26,260 shp / 19,590 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 7,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,678 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   922 - 1,199

Cost:
   £2.139 million / $8.557 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,501 tons, 6.6 %
   Armour: 8,340 tons, 36.8 %
      - Belts: 3,850 tons, 17.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 423 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 2,501 tons, 11.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,359 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 207 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,275 tons, 5.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,671 tons, 38.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,632 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 214 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     30,793 lbs / 13,968 Kg = 22.4 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.678
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.16 ft / 5.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 36,722 Square feet or 3,412 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 177 lbs/sq ft or 864 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

Mark 3

Italia-BB-1910, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   20,000 t light; 21,228 t standard; 22,944 t normal; 24,316 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   531.04 ft / 525.00 ft x 89.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   161.86 m / 160.02 m x 27.13 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      9 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 13,631 lbs / 6,183 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   332.33 ft / 101.29 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   192.66 ft / 58.72 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   332.33 ft / 101.29 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   332.33 ft / 101.29 m   24.24 ft / 7.39 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 26,570 shp / 19,821 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 9,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,088 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   931 - 1,211

Cost:
   £2.285 million / $9.142 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,672 tons, 7.3 %
   Armour: 7,789 tons, 33.9 %
      - Belts: 3,368 tons, 14.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 447 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 2,395 tons, 10.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,370 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 209 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,290 tons, 5.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,049 tons, 39.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,944 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29,112 lbs / 13,205 Kg = 21.2 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 4.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.687
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.50 ft / 7.77 m
      - Forecastle (18 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (18 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.26 ft / 5.56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 37,033 Square feet or 3,440 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 895 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

fixed wet foreward warning

[Tanthalas]

Final Version (aka the one im going to build)

Italia-BB-1910, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   19,986 t light; 21,214 t standard; 22,929 t normal; 24,300 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   531.04 ft / 525.00 ft x 89.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   161.86 m / 160.02 m x 27.13 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      9 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1910 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 13,631 lbs / 6,183 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   332.54 ft / 101.36 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   192.45 ft / 58.66 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   332.54 ft / 101.36 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   332.54 ft / 101.36 m   24.23 ft / 7.39 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 26,555 shp / 19,810 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 9,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,086 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   931 - 1,211

Cost:
   £2.285 million / $9.139 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,672 tons, 7.3 %
   Armour: 7,789 tons, 34.0 %
      - Belts: 3,369 tons, 14.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 447 tons, 2.0 %
      - Armament: 2,395 tons, 10.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,370 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 209 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,289 tons, 5.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,036 tons, 39.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,943 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29,037 lbs / 13,171 Kg = 21.2 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 4.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.687
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.50 ft / 7.77 m
      - Forecastle (18 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (18 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.26 ft / 5.56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 37,017 Square feet or 3,439 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 893 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[P3D]

Increase draft, length  and beam, the ship has a very high Block coefficient, AFAIK no dreadnought had been built with BC larger than 0.64. And L:B is on the low side, and might affect maneuverability.

[Tanthalas]

The BC is a little high but I don't see a problem with it honestly, it isn't substantially higher than my other bbs.  5.90-1 isn't really that different from 6.0-1  I could have accomplished the same thing by just bulging the hull but didn't feel right about it  the only difference is it would be like a 6.17-1 and actually a lighter ship.

I'll make the bulge version, so you can see

[Korpen]

Final Version (aka the one im going to build)

Italia-BB-1910, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Not a bad little ship, pretty good balance between speed, firepower and armour.
I am not a fan of triple turrets, but that is another debate...  ;)

I do not really see much problem with the high BC and low L:B ratio, after all, there was plenty of pre-dreads with that kind of BC. There are plenty of weirder things done to battleships here (the absurd amount of armour some countries put on their BBs the main one).

[Tanthalas]

Final Version (aka the one im going to build)

Italia-BB-1910, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Not a bad little ship, pretty good balance between speed, firepower and armour.
I am not a fan of triple turrets, but that is another debate...  ;)

I do not really see much problem with the high BC and low L:B ratio, after all, there was plenty of pre-dreads with that kind of BC. There are plenty of weirder things done to battleships here (the absurd amount of armour some countries put on their BBs the main one).

thanks i prefer tripples, as such that has blead over as one of the gatgety things all italian ships have.