im not realy happy with this one but

[Tanthalas]

im still playing around with the idea for station BBs and this is the latest in the series

Station BBX-1910, Italia Station BB laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   12,398 t light; 13,192 t standard; 14,150 t normal; 14,916 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.00 ft / 393.00 ft x 76.60 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   119.79 m / 119.79 m x 23.35 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
      6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9,036 lbs / 4,099 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   235.16 ft / 71.68 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   147.82 ft / 45.06 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     10.02 ft / 3.05 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   235.16 ft / 71.68 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 22,087 shp / 16,477 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,724 tons (80% coal)

Complement:
   648 - 843

Cost:
   £1.534 million / $6.137 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,130 tons, 8.0 %
   Armour: 4,677 tons, 33.1 %
      - Belts: 2,237 tons, 15.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,407 tons, 9.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 881 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 151 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 1,083 tons, 7.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,309 tons, 37.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,752 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,071 lbs / 6,836 Kg = 11.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.81
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.685
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.13 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forecastle (19 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (50 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (19 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.50 ft / 5.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,817 Square feet or 2,213 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 790 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

thoughts? the 393 foot limit realy limits them

[The Rock Doctor]

I think one of your big cruisers would be more effective - it could better chase raiders, or have the speed to avoid a lopsided attack.

[Tanthalas]

I think one of your big cruisers would be more effective - it could better chase raiders, or have the speed to avoid a lopsided attack.

I tend to agree these started to be evolutions of the 10" cruiser.  im afraid that im becoming a one trick horse i did such a good job on the 6X10" cruiser that everything i come up with pales in comparison T.T

[Walter]

My thoughts? Go for a longer ship. :)
I would also try to get rid of that 3 meter gap in your belt (between main and ends belt).

[Tanthalas]

the 393 foot limit is based on a type 2 Dry dock, i may never build one i actualy like.  For me its a chalange, trying to build somthing that is basicly imposible.  In the end ill end up going proly 450 feat or so to make it a decent ship but its a fun exercise.

[Walter]

Type 2 is 170 meters/557 feet... 393 feet is the limits of a type 1 dock/slip.

[P3D]

You'd rather build first-class battleships and relegate old ones to the colonies. And your stability is very low for a 14" gunned 20kts ship. Of you want to keep displacement low, use 12" guns.

[Tanthalas]

ya im still playing with it

[Walter]

The one quick addition of stability is adjusting the trim. If I can't get to a steadiness  of 70% without having stability drop below 1.05, I usually set the trim so steadiness  is 50%. Your trim is set on 54.

[Tanthalas]

Totaly unrealistic... I just drew it in virtual ship yard NO WAY it would work.  the ship is just 2 masive Turrets lol

[Walter]

What do you expect. Something that just hit me, This thing is about the same size as a Deutschland. It is slightly wider than a Deutschland, but a massive 60 meters shorter. Deutschland carried triple 283mm guns and this one carries triple 14 inch guns... so even if it does fit, it will look incredibly odd and it will end up in the "An incredible bunch of fuglies" thread. :D

[Tanthalas]

LOL i know i expected it would look funny just didnt realise how funny it would look ya know