Not exactly new... for Mike mostly feal free to laugh at it

[Tanthalas]

its one of my "Heavy Cruisers" from 2.0 was trying to sort out my SS files and found her, all in all not to bad considering i was learning to use SS at the time.  thought id post it show mike the lines I was thinking along in 1905 for spain

HSMS Madrid, Spain Heavy Cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   15,796 t light; 17,141 t standard; 19,450 t normal; 21,297 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   475.00 ft / 475.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
   144.78 m / 144.78 m x 25.91 m  x 6.71 m

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (6x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,037 lbs / 3,646 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   225.91 ft / 68.86 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   249.07 ft / 75.92 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   225.91 ft / 68.86 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 73 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,389 shp / 16,702 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,157 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   823 - 1,070

Cost:
   £1.658 million / $6.632 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,005 tons, 5.2 %
   Armour: 6,144 tons, 31.6 %
      - Belts: 2,600 tons, 13.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2,046 tons, 10.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,327 tons, 6.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 171 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,866 tons, 9.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,782 tons, 34.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,654 tons, 18.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27,135 lbs / 12,308 Kg = 40.8 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0.766
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.59 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.42 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (26 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (26 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.10 ft / 5.52 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 35,856 Square feet or 3,331 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 149 lbs/sq ft or 729 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.56
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[maddox]

Lower the caliber of the  12 secundaries to 5 -6"  in single deck mount and hoist weatherproof armored protection and put 20 on her.  A few tertiaries with anti airship capability would be nice. (evenly distributed, sides)

Reduce main belt to 10" and end armor to 4"
Reduce range to 6000Nm @ 10 kts

Use all the extra weight for more speed.

If you want more gain in speed.  1.5" deck armor, evenly distributed, non superfiring main guns

Don't forget the .5% misc weight.

[Tanthalas]

the irony of it was that by the time I got everything figured out for spain 2.0 had broken down, and I had no idea what had happend.  Went to class everything was fine came home and the forums had bene formated, and there was a post from some guy about the return of the admin.  In all honesty she would have bene a BB in 2.0 but I had some obsesion with calling everything a heavy cruiser, that was the big one I have a smaller one to it was HSMS Guam which truely would have bene a cruiser. 

Took me like 6 months to figure out where everyone went when 2.0 melted down LOL, then i wonderd for like a month why noone had told me what was going on and invited me here =P

Im actualy tempted to work somthing like her up for my curent tech, ill have to play around with it later.  I have way more hp per shaft and shafts available than i did in 2.0

[Tanthalas]

Reworked for what I know now, and with my 1909 tech

HSMS Madrid, Spain Heavy Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   14,040 t light; 15,134 t standard; 16,000 t normal; 16,693 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   510.00 ft / 510.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
   155.45 m / 155.45 m x 25.91 m  x 7.92 m

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      20 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 10 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      40 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (20x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 5,467 lbs / 2,480 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 240
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   289.07 ft / 88.11 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   220.91 ft / 67.33 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   289.07 ft / 88.11 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 47,450 shp / 35,398 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,559 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
   710 - 924

Cost:
   £1.382 million / $5.527 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 683 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 4,788 tons, 29.9 %
      - Belts: 2,379 tons, 14.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,193 tons, 7.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,066 tons, 6.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 150 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,260 tons, 14.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,809 tons, 36.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,960 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 3.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,862 lbs / 8,556 Kg = 28.3 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.497
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.58 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (22 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (22 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.37 ft / 5.60 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 28,801 Square feet or 2,676 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 693 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.83
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[maddox]

Frenchified answer.

Displacement:
   14.271 t light; 15.006 t standard; 16.032 t normal; 16.853 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   514,00 ft / 510,00 ft x 90,00 ft x 25,00 ft (normal load)
   156,67 m / 155,45 m x 27,43 m  x 7,62 m

Armament:
      6 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (3x2 guns), 661,39lbs / 300,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward
      20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 6 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5.864 lbs / 2.660 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10,0" / 254 mm   331,50 ft / 101,04 m   11,38 ft / 3,47 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   178,48 ft / 54,40 m   11,38 ft / 3,47 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   331,50 ft / 101,04 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   420,00 ft / 128,02 m   26,00 ft / 7,92 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10,0" / 254 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      1,00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 47.793 shp / 35.653 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.847 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   712 - 926

Cost:
   £1,414 million / $5,657 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 691 tons, 4,3%
   Armour: 4.899 tons, 30,6%
      - Belts: 2.422 tons, 15,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 404 tons, 2,5%
      - Armament: 1.095 tons, 6,8%
      - Armour Deck: 840 tons, 5,2%
      - Conning Tower: 137 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2.390 tons, 14,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6.042 tons, 37,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.761 tons, 11,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 1,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19.708 lbs / 8.939 Kg = 31,1 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 3,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 16,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,489
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,58 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4,00 ft / 1,22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,00 ft / 8,53 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   20,00 ft / 6,10 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Stern:      15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,37 ft / 5,60 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,0%
   Waterplane Area: 30.280 Square feet or 2.813 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 709 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,78
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Tanthalas]

LOL i gave it 240 shells per main gun... that thing would shoot forever

[maddox]

You'll notice the French 275mm's have 300 kg shells,  effectively only 1 kg less than your 11" shell.

Also, the 140mm guns have 42 kg shells.

This makes that the French ship, even having less salvoes - 240 shots for every barrel is about 2/5th to much, even for more modern guns- putting out a heavier broadside.

And, Imagine the barrelwear after 150 shells trough a 100 shot barrel....

[miketr]

Its not all that different from the my last class of BB's.  Of course I didn't build those...  Its a nice semi dreadnought over all.

Michael