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[maddox]

Some already do...  But if it goes further than snuggling...
Depending on officers it could mean unhonorable discharge, but in most cases, especialy if the men involved are good naval men, a blind eye is turned in.
Of course, with the decadence of Nverse (and IRL)France, some ships will have a solid core of snuggling men, and that doesn't mean those are painted rose, nor that those ships/men are a shame to the Marine Nationale if it comes to expertise, fighting spirit or compentence.

Officialy enlisted nor officers of the Marnine nationale can't have relations above the normal cameraderie of a tight knit fighting group.

[The Rock Doctor]

I think the GC designs remain relevant for the intended functions.

I echo Borys' question on refits.  In an era of turbine-driven cruisers, refitting decades-old VTE cruisers seems pointless. 

I'd love to see a drawing of the Italian design; I'm skeptical that there'd be room amongst all the guns for one berth, let alone a berth for each crewmember.

[Tanthalas]

I think the GC designs remain relevant for the intended functions.

I echo Borys' question on refits.  In an era of turbine-driven cruisers, refitting decades-old VTE cruisers seems pointless. 

I'd love to see a drawing of the Italian design; I'm skeptical that there'd be room amongst all the guns for one berth, let alone a berth for each crewmember.

LOL highly likley, this ship did not Recive the  aproval of the Naval High Comand remember, it was decided for several reasons that she was unsuitable.

You have to admit, if you're operating  purely in the Med, not farther away than a few days sailing from the more comfortable barracks, it's an elegant solution.  More fans for circulating air , or even a real aircooler instalation are a better use of the misc weight then.


I'm handicapped in that respect, French ships are real "go everyweres" and even the smallest ships I design will get some misc weight for crew comfort. Even if only a ceiling fan for every bunk and at least "adequate space" for everybody.

I agree it was an awesome Idea given that the Italians would never have to leave the med.  My Italia suffers the same problem, with the necessity of operating over such a broad array of territories I have decided to simply build the best I can and send it everywhere

[Ithekro]

Rohan is behind currently on light cruiser technology having invested in larger vessels.  The majority of Rohan's protected cruisers are of Confederate origin.  This is why Rohan has not jumped at the ad.  Also Rohan's slips and production are quite fill at the moment.

[The Rock Doctor]

For clarification purposes, I'm looking for someone to design and build, as my limited slip space and BP will be occupied with refitting my PCs which are ~18 y/o and finishing my DD flotillas. Willing to compensate.

Missed this point; finding a vacant slipway is not likely an issue for me.  Payment, and BP, would be a topic of negotiation; there is always opportunity to be creative.

[P3D]

You can refit ships only in a dock.

[ledeper]

2ènd offer, Baltic Confederation  Cl laid down 1909

Displacement:
   5.514 t light; 5.728 t standard; 6.539 t normal; 7.189 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   403,87 ft / 393,70 ft x 65,62 ft x 18,04 ft (normal load)
   123,10 m / 120,00 m x 20,00 m  x 5,50 m

Armament:
      6 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns (3x2 guns), 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 924 lbs / 419 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   2 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   9,72 ft / 2,96 m
   Ends:   2,00" / 51 mm   137,78 ft / 42,00 m   9,72 ft / 2,96 m
   Upper:   2,00" / 51 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   16,15 ft / 4,92 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   2,00" / 51 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 6,00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22.555 shp / 16.826 Kw = 23,23 kts
   Range 8.500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.460 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   363 - 472

Cost:
   £0,448 million / $1,791 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 1,8 %
   Armour: 1.889 tons, 28,9 %
      - Belts: 931 tons, 14,2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 153 tons, 2,3 %
      - Armament: 286 tons, 4,4 %
      - Armour Deck: 474 tons, 7,2 %
      - Conning Tower: 45 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 1.128 tons, 17,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.132 tons, 32,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.025 tons, 15,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 3,8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10.348 lbs / 4.694 Kg = 95,8 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,35
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 13,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,491
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,82 ft / 6,65 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13,88 ft / 4,23 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13,88 ft / 4,23 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13,88 ft / 4,23 m
      - Stern:      13,88 ft / 4,23 m
      - Average freeboard:   14,51 ft / 4,42 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 17.073 Square feet or 1.586 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 438 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,63
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
      Can be buildt in Baltic yard!!

[Borys]

We can't put 6 inchers in turrets.
Yet.
Please read here:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=81.0

[Tanthalas]

Yup thats why my fast scout cruiser has 8" guns

[Sachmle]

Design of Oficina Naval De la Arquitectura

Almirante Brown, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1909 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   3,700 t light; 3,917 t standard; 4,730 t normal; 5,380 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   395.99 ft / 388.00 ft x 37.00 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
   120.70 m / 118.26 m x 11.28 m  x 6.40 m

Armament:
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1905 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 996 lbs / 452 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.50" / 38 mm   346.90 ft / 105.74 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 138 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20,220 shp / 15,084 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,463 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   284 - 370

Cost:
   £0.470 million / $1.879 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 124 tons, 2.6 %
   Armour: 409 tons, 8.6 %
      - Belts: 165 tons, 3.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 28 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 185 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1,683 tons, 35.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,433 tons, 30.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,030 tons, 21.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,492 lbs / 1,130 Kg = 23.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.95
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.66

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.549
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.70 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (35 %):   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Mid (50 %):      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.40 ft / 4.69 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 137.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,011 Square feet or 930 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 336 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather