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Started by Carthaginian, October 31, 2007, 04:39:21 PM

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Carthaginian

The CSA, during it's numerous attempts to create the 'light torpedo ram' project that became the TR-200 considered many designs that were eventually rejected. The following design was created to see just how light a modern destroyer could be constructed. The results were not what the Admiralty desired, so the design was relegated to a folder labeled 'Studies' and stuffed in a filing cabinet in a disused water closet with a burnt-out light bulb in the Admiralty building's basement maintenance department, behind a door which bears a sign warning you to 'Beware of  the Tiger.'*

The ship WOULD be useful for coastal defense, however, and could benefit a small nation (especially if the Confederate Navy would get off it's butt and develop triple torp tubes). Thus, the Confederate Navy is offering to build these ships- starting in 2nd/1909- at a rate of 4 per half for any interested party.# They will be picked up by the purchaser at a Confederate port and it will be the responsibility of the purchaser to get them to their nation's territorial waters.

What say? Any takers?

Displacement:
   250 t light; 263 t standard; 295 t normal; 321 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   215.00 ft / 215.00 ft x 18.00 ft x 6.00 ft (normal load)
   65.53 m / 65.53 m x 5.49 m  x 1.83 m

Armament:
      2 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 52 lbs / 24 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,000 shp / 5,968 Kw = 27.75 kts
   Range 1,900nm at 10.39 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 58 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   35 - 46

Cost:
   £0.036 million / $0.142 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6 tons, 1.9 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.6 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 158 tons, 53.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 81 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 45 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     73 lbs / 33 Kg = 3.4 x 3.5 " / 89 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.73

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.445
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.66 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Mid (50 %):      7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Stern:      7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:   7.46 ft / 2.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 189.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 67.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,458 Square feet or 228 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 35 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 86 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.18
      - Overall: 0.54
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather


*the first person to tell me where the 'location' quote comes from (a book) gets 4 of these ships built FREE!

#parties ordering this ship cannot currently be at war, but can order them after war's end, or build them under license for fees to be negotiated later.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Borys

Ahoj!
Austria-Hungary will order in peacetime.
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Carthaginian

I can produce a maximum of 8 per half.
I'll prepare for the order. :)
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Borys

I will take three dozen, please.
But please prepare reduction rings to fire 18 inch torpedos.
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

P3D

In the RN, destroyers were delivered without any weapons, TTs and guns installed later by the Admiralty.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Carthaginian

36 ships / 8 per half = 5 halves
Delivery schedule will be as follows: 6+6+6+8

Payment will be per Block: $2.40 for Blocks 1-3, $3.20 for Block 4.


So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Carthaginian

Unfortunately, it appears that my dance card was filled by the first customer.
My apologies to all other potential buyers. :(
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Borys

A charm dealing with the CSA.
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Carthaginian



Just thought that the Habsburgs might like to SEE what they are buying first.
I made this one look more historical for a small torpedo boat, based it off a Turkish design.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Borys

Ahoj!
Purdy!
BTW - I plan to use them for general patrolling around bases. Malta is the first place that came to my mind as to where to base them. They will be coded "K1" to "K36", for "Konfedaerater"
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Carthaginian

Quote from: Borys on November 02, 2007, 12:48:26 AM
Ahoj!
Purdy!
BTW - I plan to use them for general patrolling around bases. Malta is the first place that came to my mind as to where to base them. They will be coded "K1" to "K36", for "Konfedaerater"
Borys

I had intended their sale to attract some of the newer PC's with limited budgets and BP; I was also aiming for NPC buyers as well. I never thought that a major power would jump on the sale. Anyway, consider it done, and K-class units 1-8 will be laid down as soon as the war ends.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Borys

OOC
Are any newer PC's interested?
USA, Peru?
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Carthaginian

Guess not... but I have a contract and am more than happy with it.
The Habsburgs will get their ships, on time and within budget.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Ithekro

Meanwhile Rohan builds destroyers for the Confederates (as soon as I can get home to do my report and figure out what they were exactly.)

Carthaginian

Quote from: Ithekro on November 02, 2007, 08:06:06 PM
Meanwhile Rohan builds destroyers for the Confederates (as soon as I can get home to do my report and figure out what they were exactly.)

And the Confederacy builds destroyers for itself, too. I'm pumping out a six-ship flotilla of TR-200's per half every half for the next 2 years.

Seriously, I hadn't expected there to be any PC takers for this design. I knew it was a handy little ship for coastal work, but I underestimated it's utility apparently. I only thought that NPC states would be interested via their controlling mods.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.