Orange Naval Infrastructure

[P3D]

Basically I feel it is bloated, I have three times the slip capacity I could afford, and then I haven't even took the drydocks into account.

[Carthaginian]

As someone else noted, there's not much reason for so many naval bases bordering the Florida marshes.

I beg to differ, Miami and Key West are very important because of:

1.) Florida Straits
2.) Old Bahamas Channel
3.) Northwest Providence Channel
4.) Northeast Providence Channel
5.) Little Bahamas Bank

There's a lot of places down there to cover; those bases are necessary.


EDIT: The Gulf side wasn't really necessary, but P-cola is a good place for a boneyard, so i kept it.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
So downsize to level you fancy :)
Borys

[Carthaginian]

OK, will do this weekend- lotsa homework for the night, plus All Hallow's Eve. ;)

[The Rock Doctor]

Okay, feedback on Orange infrastructure:

Generally speaking, the number of S3/D3/D3/D4 is excessive for the times - even liners that large must be a rarity at this time.  You probably don't need more than two S3 for construction of capital ships, and a like number of D3 for maintenance.

I'd recommend keeping both Durban and Kaapstad as good sized bases - if you're involved in action in the Pacific, Kaapstad will be a quiet haven for repairs and construction.  Ditto for Durban if you get involved in the Atlantic. 

If you're going to downsize anything, I'd suggest either Port Elizabeth or Oos-London.  They're in close proximity to each other so somewhat redundant; you could probably get by with a single class two port, with a few drydocks, to support patrol functions here. 

I'd leave your new acquisition's ports alone.  The distriution is reasonable and they're good for supporting light patrol forces.  A coaling station at your Chuvosa territory (is that Port Nolloth?) would be useful to support trade protection.

PEI's far enough from the mainland to warrant a coaling station, but is there enough value in the area to warrant the expense of it? 

Plans for Christmas Island?

[Borys]

Hm, then i might be allowed to do some shifting of mine infrastructure as well?
What i had in mind is extremely minor thing, changing place of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, and moving the Slips in Den Helder to Vlissingen, this mainly for flavour, pretty much all real Dutch warships were built in either Vlissingen or Rotterdam (and a few in Amsterdam), so it feels better to concentrate the shipyards to those two cities.

Korpen, feel free to move.
Carthaginian, I suport your reshuffles, as long as they do not produce Type 3 ports.
Rock - somehow I feel that you shouldn't. Jamaica is acquired territory, and in such cases IMO you simply should live with what you get.
Good ideas on Orange.

And a side note - the only reason I will upgrade Pola, Malta and Desterro to Type 3 is slip/dry dock length. 170 metres is a limiting factor for 25K+ ships, or for 20K+ fast ships. The tonnage supported by a Type 2 base is enough for me. Is it the same for you guys?
Borys

[maddox]

In itself nothing changes actualy, not if it comes to gameplay with the reshuffling.


Now, timing is another matter, and with the Pacific war, I agree on the fact that beligrents aren't going to shuffle during that war. it could trow others plans off kilter.

[Carthaginian]

I'll plan on doing the first two points in my reallignment program, then Borys... though as a sign of good faith, I'll voluntarially delay the changes untill after war's end in order to not have any precieved advantage over the warring parties.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Do number 3 as well. Apparently Swamphen made a typo on the base type.

Borys

[Carthaginian]

Roger out.
It's now 'the weekend' for me... changes will appear soon for mod approval, and will be implemented at the end of the war to make all things fair.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Get on with the weekend and Your Bride :)

Borys

[P3D]

I need the lvl 4 drydocks, as I have four large liners that won't fit anything smaller.

Kaapstad Harbor Level 4 (5)
this includes both Kaapstad and Simonshafn (Simon's Town)
Large shipbuilding/breaking capacity, although far from the industrial heartland. Main boneyard (reserve vessels base)
S4 S2 S1 S0 (S4 S3 S2 S0)
D4 D2 D1 (D4 D2 D2 D1 D0)

Durban Harbor level 5
The main naval base
S4 S2 S1 S0 (S4 S3 S1 S0)
D4 D2 D1 D0  (D4 D1)

Elisabethafn (Porth Elizabeth) 2(3)
Main submarine building base, able to repair large navy vessels and small liners
S2 S0 S0 (S3 S3 S1)
D2 D0 (D3 D0)

Oos-London  1 (2)
S1 S0 (S2 S0 S0)
D1 (D2 D0)

Port Nolloth 2 (1)
300nm N or Kaapstad, a huge restricted access naval area, for all operations requiring minimal public exposure. Also naval gunnery range.
D2 D1 (D1)

Prince Edwards Islands 0 (1)
Coaling station and prison island
- (D1)

Loanda 1
S0
D0

Beira 1
D0

Walvisbaai 0
There's also a commercial harbor at Swakopmund, on the ahistorical Swakop river, the "Nile of South Africa"

The following places are additional secondary bases in ex-colonies. The reduction of the larger harbors would fully cover the cost of 10 lvl 0 coaling stations. Which one of these are justified to become lvl 0 bases?
It must be noted that there is not much more natural harbors on the whole coastline

Lorenco Marques
Former colonial capital for Portuguese Mozambique, preferred over Rijkardsbaai as a second commercial harbor of the heartland, being already connected to the national rail network.

Benguela/Lobito
Second largest Angolan population center

Lüderitz
A shallow natural harbor on the desolate Namib coast, almost in the middle of 400nm mostly uninhabited coastline from Port Nolloth to Waalvisbaai

Orange Chagos Island
coaling station in the middle of the South Atlantic

Mosselbaai
halfway between Kaapstad and Elisabethafn,  the sparsely populated Kaap mountains

Great Fish Bay
Huge natural deepwater harbor, unfortunately without significant freshwater sources. No other deepwater harbor from Waalvisbaai to Benguela for 500 nm.

Rijkardsbaai
Another natural bay NE of Durban

[Blooded]

Hello,

I would be highly interested in moving some stuff around. I liked the changes made for pop and IC . Was less pleased with loss of building capacity. My proposals would make up a little for losing level 2 port in bahamas and level 1 port in mauritius. It also addresses lack of ports in Northern States(Quebec has more capacity-Florida has 2x more ports).

*move
-loose
Status 1H-1908 through 2H-1908
Nassau-2 120k $30 3bp-thought I had but was sold to CSA, split value to US ports
Type 2 Slip #1:*
Type 2 Dock #1:-
Type 1 Slip #1:-
Type 1 Dock #1:-

Madelana-2 120k $30 3bp
Type 2 Dock #1:*
Type 1 Slip #1:*
Type 1 Dock #1:
Type 1 Dock #2:*
Type 0 Slip #1:

Freetown-2 120k $30 3bp
Type 2 Dock #1:*
Type 1 Dock #1:
Type 0 Slip #1:
Type 0 Slip #2:*

Mauritius-shows as a level 1 port for France- I recieved as no port

Was Building(2H-1908)
Mauritius Naval Port expands to type 0: $5  .5BP /$5 and .5BP required -finished
Philadelphia Naval Port expands to type 0: $5  .5BP /$5 and .5BP required -finished


_____________________
Proposed

Madelana-1 40k $15 2bp Reduced to repair and minor ship building
Type 1 Dock #1:
Type 0 Slip #1:

Freetown-1 40k  $15 2bp Reduced to repair and minor ship building
Type 1 Dock #1:
Type 0 Slip #1:

+++++added
Mauritius-0 5k $5 .5bp Reduced to minor repair and minor ship building
Type 0 Dock #1:new
Type 0 Slip #1:new

Baltimore-2 120k $30 3bp
Type 2 Dock #1:moved
Type 0 Slip #1:moved

Philadelphia-2 120k $30 3bp
Type 2 Dock #1:moved
Type 2 Slip #1:moved
Type 1 Slip #1:moved
Type 1 Dock #1: moved

changed building(2H-1908)
Cleveland Naval Port expands to type 0: $5  .5BP /$5 and .5BP required -finished
Chicago Naval Port expands to type 0: $5  .5BP /$5 and .5BP required -finished

What do you think?

[Ithekro]

I am not entirely against the item of moving docks and slips from the Bahamas bt I would point out that in context (if we are keepinmg the Navalism 2.0 History intact) than the Bahamas are a very recent conquest of the UKA having taken the islands in 1904 from a corperate-nation with a Portuguese name (ACM for short).

[Borys]

Ahoj!
1 - no transfer of anything from Nassau; it never got fully integrated - it was added in late 1904 by the American Normanns (after local facilities rotted for 2 years or more after the disintegration of the ACM), and in 1905-1907 the United Normans were trying to put Norman England in order.

2 - I somehow missed the transfer of Mauritius from French to Normann hands; IMO the Type 1 Port SHOULD stay there, together with 1 Type 1 DD (can be floating); Sorry for not commenting on Mauritius before, it passed under my radar.

3 - the American bases, slips and DDs can be reshufled, just like the CSA did;

4 - new contruction - you can build anything anywhere, within reason :), what you suggest looks reasonable

Borys