The first Baltic Confederation Dreadnougth

[Borys]

Ahoj!
And the number of the counting shall be four, no more, no less. Eight is right out. And thoust shalt not count to three, unless it is to proceed to four.

Borys

[P3D]

You are still enamored with the range. You don't really need to armor colliers with 14" guns.

[Tanthalas]

he is right (looks for the falling sky as he knows the world is ending if he agrees with P3D) go down to 6000 @ 10 or so you realy dont have that much ocean to cover. 

[ledeper]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   26.638 t light; 27.944 t standard; 29.449 t normal; 30.653 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   585,93 ft / 557,74 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   178,59 m / 170,00 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8.332 lbs / 3.779 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   357,19 ft / 108,87 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   144,36 ft / 44,00 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
     56,20 ft / 17,13 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   6,00" / 152 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   28,48 ft / 8,68 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      14,0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 5 shafts, 48.069 shp / 35.859 Kw = 22,66 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.709 tons (85% coal)

Complement:
   1.123 - 1.461

Cost:
   £2,176 million / $8,702 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.041 tons, 3,5 %
   Armour: 9.129 tons, 31,0 %
      - Belts: 3.375 tons, 11,5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 1,4 %
      - Armament: 2.374 tons, 8,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 2.681 tons, 9,1 %
      - Conning Tower: 288 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 2.631 tons, 8,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13.536 tons, 46,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.811 tons, 9,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     46.217 lbs / 20.964 Kg = 53,4 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 8,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 6,3 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 16,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,616
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,58 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 45,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,18 ft / 8,59 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Stern:      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,77 ft / 5,72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 41.405 Square feet or 3.847 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 242 lbs/sq ft or 1.183 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,44
      - Longitudinal: 2,43
      - Overall: 1,52
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
last try for tonigth

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Sweet dreams!
Borys

[Tanthalas]

How bout this?

Italia-BB-1909, Italia Heavy BB laid down 1909

Displacement:
   23,993 t light; 25,201 t standard; 26,550 t normal; 27,629 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   558.58 ft / 550.00 ft x 90.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   170.26 m / 167.64 m x 27.43 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
     8 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 11,976 lbs / 5,432 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   286.66 ft / 87.37 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   263.32 ft / 80.26 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   286.66 ft / 87.37 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 80 % of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   286.66 ft / 87.37 m   23.64 ft / 7.21 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -

  - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29,674 shp / 22,137 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,100nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,429 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   1,039 - 1,351

Cost:
   £2.299 million / $9.196 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,497 tons, 5.6 %
   Armour: 11,148 tons, 42.0 %
      - Belts: 4,828 tons, 18.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 501 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 3,185 tons, 12.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,365 tons, 8.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 268 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,440 tons, 5.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,707 tons, 36.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,557 tons, 9.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     43,654 lbs / 19,801 Kg = 31.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 7.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.46

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.782
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (24 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (50 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (24 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   21.10 ft / 6.43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 42,615 Square feet or 3,959 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 171 lbs/sq ft or 836 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

If you wanted to use her you could just rename her honestly I wont be building anything like this.

[ledeper]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   26.300 t light; 27.944 t standard; 29.449 t normal; 30.653 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   585,93 ft / 557,74 ft x 100,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
   178,59 m / 170,00 m x 30,48 m  x 9,14 m

Armament:
      8 - 14,00" / 356 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.372,00lbs / 622,33kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      16 - 4,09" / 104 mm guns in single mounts, 34,32lbs / 15,57kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 12.382 lbs / 5.617 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   357,19 ft / 108,87 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   144,36 ft / 44,00 m   12,01 ft / 3,66 m
     56,20 ft / 17,13 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   6,00" / 152 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,00" / 25 mm   389,99 ft / 118,87 m   28,48 ft / 8,68 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      14,0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 5 shafts, 48.069 shp / 35.859 Kw = 22,66 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.709 tons (85% coal)

Complement:
   1.123 - 1.461

Cost:
   £2,589 million / $10,356 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.548 tons, 5,3 %
   Armour: 9.585 tons, 32,5 %
      - Belts: 3.375 tons, 11,5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 1,4 %
      - Armament: 2.830 tons, 9,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2.681 tons, 9,1 %
      - Conning Tower: 288 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 2.631 tons, 8,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12.237 tons, 41,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.149 tons, 10,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     36.957 lbs / 16.763 Kg = 26,9 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 6,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 5,8 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 17,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,616
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,58 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 45,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,18 ft / 8,59 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Stern:      17,95 ft / 5,47 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,77 ft / 5,72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 41.405 Square feet or 3.847 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 219 lbs/sq ft or 1.069 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,15
      - Longitudinal: 2,00
      - Overall: 1,22
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

im a old fool
Here it is!!!

[Tanthalas]

or there is this (Italia would consider building this ship honestly)

Italia-BB-1909, Italia Heavy BB laid down 1909

Displacement:
   23,993 t light; 25,201 t standard; 26,550 t normal; 27,629 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   558.58 ft / 550.00 ft x 90.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   170.26 m / 167.64 m x 27.43 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
      8 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3 mounts), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 11,976 lbs / 5,432 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   286.66 ft / 87.37 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   263.32 ft / 80.26 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   286.66 ft / 87.37 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 80 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   286.66 ft / 87.37 m   23.64 ft / 7.21 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29,674 shp / 22,137 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,100nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,429 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   1,039 - 1,351

Cost:
   £2.299 million / $9.196 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,497 tons, 5.6 %
   Armour: 11,137 tons, 41.9 %
      - Belts: 4,828 tons, 18.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 501 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 3,174 tons, 12.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,365 tons, 8.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 268 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,440 tons, 5.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,719 tons, 36.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,557 tons, 9.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     43,898 lbs / 19,912 Kg = 32.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 7.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.49

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.782
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (24 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (50 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (24 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   21.10 ft / 6.43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 42,615 Square feet or 3,959 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 171 lbs/sq ft or 837 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Korpen]

Erzatz Isbre, Baltic Confedration Dreadnougth laid down 1908

Displacement:
   26.300 t light; 27.944 t standard; 29.449 t normal; 30.653 t full load

   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,15
      - Longitudinal: 2,00
      - Overall: 1,22
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

im a old fool
Here it is!!!

Nice, now you can cut on or two thousands tons from her displacement, as your overall hull strength is more then 1,00. :)

[P3D]

I think 6000nm@10 won't be enough for a BC dreadnought. Baltic lines of communication to the colonies are much longer than what Italy has. I suggest steaming distance from Trondheim to the South Atlantic isles, and from those isles to Gujarat should be the range requirement.

Other places where you can shave off a bit:
- one inch or two from barbette armor, no need for thick armor below the weather deck.
- half an inch of deck armor
- decrease freeboard
- bow angle should be closer to vertical, rather 15 than 45 degrees.
Other changes:
- change to 4 shafts instead of 5
- increase torpedo bulkhead thickness.
- I'd exchange 8 4" guns for four 6" ones
- increase secondary armor to 6"

[Borys]

Ahoj!
6000-6500 nm seems OK. That's the distance from Norway to the Chuvosa Islands (the big South Atlantic archipelago). As to taking the long way around, through the GIUK gap - if the Normans and or the French block the direct routes (La Manche, Suez), then the war most likely is with them - and they are close at hand :)

And there are friendly neutrals on the way - Iberians, Austro-Hungarians ...

Borys

[Sachmle]

My contribution to the conversation:

Enter ship name, Enter country Battleship laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   23,100 t light; 24,458 t standard; 26,233 t normal; 27,653 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   553.00 ft / 550.00 ft x 88.00 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
   168.55 m / 167.64 m x 26.82 m  x 8.53 m

Armament:
      8 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,370.00lbs / 621.42kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 1.81" / 46.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 12,280 lbs / 5,570 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   355.75 ft / 108.43 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   8.00" / 203 mm   194.25 ft / 59.21 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   10.0" / 254 mm   355.75 ft / 108.43 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,130 shp / 35,905 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,194 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   1,029 - 1,339

Cost:
   £2.433 million / $9.732 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,537 tons, 5.9 %
   Armour: 9,785 tons, 37.3 %
      - Belts: 4,910 tons, 18.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2,498 tons, 9.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,110 tons, 8.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 266 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 2,383 tons, 9.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,095 tons, 34.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,133 tons, 11.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     30,875 lbs / 14,005 Kg = 22.5 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 17.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.81
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.678
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (30 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (50 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 38,018 Square feet or 3,532 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 171 lbs/sq ft or 836 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.67
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Quite nice, Sachmle. But I'd give her more beam, to improve stability. The trend on the board is that 1,10 seems to be the minimum.

Borys

[Tanthalas]

then there is always this option only 12" guns but 24kts

Italia-BB-1909, Italia Battle Ship laid down 1909

Displacement:
   19,001 t light; 20,441 t standard; 21,500 t normal; 22,347 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   550.00 ft / 550.00 ft x 90.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
   167.64 m / 167.64 m x 27.43 m  x 7.92 m

Armament:
      9 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on side
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,807 lbs / 3,995 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   346.17 ft / 105.51 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   203.81 ft / 62.12 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   346.17 ft / 105.51 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   346.17 ft / 105.51 m   24.34 ft / 7.42 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,911 shp / 36,488 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,905 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
   887 - 1,154

Cost:
   £1.925 million / $7.700 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,101 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 7,647 tons, 35.6 %
      - Belts: 3,670 tons, 17.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 312 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armament: 2,145 tons, 10.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,320 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,329 tons, 10.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,182 tons, 38.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,240 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,976 lbs / 13,143 Kg = 33.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.585
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (19 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (50 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (19 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.73 ft / 6.01 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 35,688 Square feet or 3,316 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 809 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.62
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[khymerion]

*pokes head up from the foundries*

Nice ship you have there...  Seems time has been good to you... centerline and superfiring and all...  *looks at the well weathered drawings in the forgotten and dust covered drafting rooms*  Wish we had that in my day...