New Confederate Destroyer - 1st/1908

[Carthaginian]

I think you missed something, Korpen. :P

Probably a critique or outright flame... but it's missing. :D

[Korpen]

I think you missed something, Korpen. :P

Probably a critique or outright flame... but it's missing. :D

Note to self: do not try and write something before eight in the morning at the earliest...

[Carthaginian]

LOL... I'm about to have been up for an even 20 hours.
I feel your pain.

And the right to keep and bear arms is extended to every Confederate citizen.
Granted the ownership of 'cannon' is forbidden in all States, but other than that, it's all fair game.

[Ithekro]

I don't know, I've seen some nice looking "hand-cannons" in my time.

And squad is probably closer to realistic terms than a platoon, but there are some that have rather large collections.

[Walter]

That would be Walter if I remember correctly.  At least with story material.

... and more. :)
When I get home, I'll try to find one of my insane designs. ;D

[The Rock Doctor]

The range might be a little high for something so small, but otherwise Practical is exactly that.  Good to see other folks finding value in basic patrol assets.  I'll comment on the pic when I get home - the DD was certainly off to a good start.

LOL... I'm about to have been up for an even 20 hours.

Don't worry - once you're married, your wife will be telling you to pack it in by about ten o'clock or so.

You had me thinking you'd be showing us something zany.  Oh well...

[Walter]

Those of you who are veterans of the Warships1 message board, might still remember this design I posted for some weird design competition some time ago (April 2005). The design is fairly normal, except for the unusually high miscellaneous weight. The weird stuff is the miscellaneous weights breakdown that I added at the bottom of the sim. :D

HMSMS Snurgonia, Snurgonia Royal Battleyacht laid down 1920

Displacement:
   43,961 t light; 46,072 t standard; 50,273 t normal; 53,635 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   829.76 ft / 825.00 ft x 95.00 ft (Bulges 105.00 ft) x 32.50 ft (normal load)
   252.91 m / 251.46 m x 28.96 m (Bulges 32.00 m)  x 9.91 m

Armament:
      8 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,800.00lbs / 816.47kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      20 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 90.00lbs / 40.82kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      3 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 14.00lbs / 6.35kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 16,242 lbs / 7,367 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   550.00 ft / 167.64 m   11.70 ft / 3.57 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   11.70 ft / 3.57 m
     15.00 ft / 4.57 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   550.00 ft / 167.64 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      2.00" / 51 mm   550.00 ft / 167.64 m   30.47 ft / 9.29 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   10.0" / 254 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm         -         8.00" / 203 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 169,326 shp / 126,317 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 26,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7,563 tons

Complement:
   1,678 - 2,182

Cost:
   £9.372 million / $37.488 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,902 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 13,438 tons, 26.7 %
      - Belts: 5,123 tons, 10.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,240 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 3,407 tons, 6.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,256 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 411 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 5,921 tons, 11.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,701 tons, 33.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,313 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6,000 tons, 11.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     58,432 lbs / 26,504 Kg = 34.6 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 8.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 19.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.625
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28.72 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (70 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (24 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.76 ft / 6.94 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 160.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 58,672 Square feet or 5,451 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 191 lbs/sq ft or 932 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.00
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

King's Room ------------------------------------------- 80 tons
Queen's Room ------------------------------------------ 50 tons
Royal Bedroom ---------------------------------------- 100 tons
Royal Dining Room ------------------------------------- 60 tons
Royal Study Room -------------------------------------- 60 tons
Royal Throne Room ------------------------------------ 200 tons
Royal Guards Rooms (200) ---------------------------- 1200 tons 
Royal Advisors Rooms (7) ----------------------------- 105 tons
Pools (2) --------------------------------------------3140 tons
Drawbridge + operating system ------------------------- 20 tons
Crane ------------------------------------------------- 10 tons
Float planes + gear (2) ------------------------------- 50 tons
100 foot motor yacht --------------------------------- 154 tons
Troops boat ------------------------------------------ 116 tons
Extra water supply ----------------------------------- 100 tons
Marble decoration Pools ------------------------------- 80 tons
Gold decoration in the various Royal Rooms ----------- 250 tons
Statue of King Snurg XXXIV of Snurgonia and his wife - 105 tons
Guard towers on superstructure (4) ------------------- 120 tons
Total ----------------------------------------------- 6000 tons

Before this one, there was the special vessel for the Empress, HIJMS Kameko-chan, in Wesworld...
http://88.198.26.117/kunden/oponn/wbblite/thread.php?postid=9490#post9490
Ignoring the fact that the cruiser is painted pink and that the swimming pool is armored, the rest of the ship is fairly normal.

There was also this idea of having a group vandalize one of my vessels with a 'special' color scheme.

Latest weirdness is the Flightdeck Casino.
http://88.198.26.117/kunden/oponn/wbblite/thread.php?postid=31553#post31553
The Special Villain Facilities and the flashing sign on the side make this one almost impossible to beat when it comes to weirdness. ;D

Pictures of the CL Kameko-chan with its unusual color as well as the CDS Urarake normal and abnormal version. The pictures are quite old and a bit crappy compared to some of my more recent stuff.

[Borys]

Unique :)

[Tanthalas]

Unique :)

to say the least.

[Carthaginian]

I'm preforming my little resurrection miracle on this thread to publish the finalized forms of the TR-200 and S-01 just for the record. The TR-200 has sacrificed a couple of tenths of a knot to have a more 'shapely stern' by request ;), and the S-01 had a plethora of changes, including MORE FIREPOWER, a splinter-proof belt and an 1" thick armored fuel tank (simulated by a 1/4" of deck armor; since the fuel tank will be much smaller, it would be much thicker).



S-01, Confederate States of America Sloop laid down 1909

Displacement:
   200 t light; 210 t standard; 256 t normal; 293 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   185.00 ft / 175.00 ft x 18.00 ft x 5.50 ft (normal load)
   56.39 m / 53.34 m x 5.49 m  x 1.68 m

Armament:
      1 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      2 - 2.25" / 57.2 mm guns in single mounts, 5.00lbs / 2.27kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 37 lbs / 17 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   1 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm     81.00 ft / 24.69 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 71 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.25" / 6 mm, Conning tower: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Petrol Internal combustion motors,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 800 shp / 597 Kw = 15.53 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.63 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 83 tons

Complement:
   31 - 41

Cost:
   £0.016 million / $0.063 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 1.7 %
   Armour: 29 tons, 11.3 %
      - Belts: 16 tons, 6.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 10 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 36 tons, 14.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 128 tons, 50.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 56 tons, 21.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     637 lbs / 289 Kg = 29.7 x 3.5 " / 89 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 10.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.517
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.72 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.23 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.45 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Mid (50 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m (6.00 ft / 1.83 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Stern:      8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.37 ft / 3.16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,132 Square feet or 198 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 185 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 25 lbs/sq ft or 120 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.80
      - Longitudinal: 7.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Armored deck represents the 1" thick armored fuel tank.


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TR-200, Confederate States of America Torpedo Ram laid down 1909

Displacement:
   500 t light; 518 t standard; 554 t normal; 583 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   230.00 ft / 220.00 ft x 20.00 ft x 9.00 ft (normal load)
   70.11 m / 67.06 m x 6.10 m  x 2.74 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      2 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (1x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mount
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 53 lbs / 24 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Conning tower: 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 12,000 shp / 8,952 Kw = 27.58 kts
   Range 2,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 65 tons

Complement:
   56 - 74

Cost:
   £0.064 million / $0.255 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 8 tons, 1.5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.6 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 280 tons, 50.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 189 tons, 34.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 54 tons, 9.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     161 lbs / 73 Kg = 5.0 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
   Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 11.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.43

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.490
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.40 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Mid (50 %):      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   12.94 ft / 3.94 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 178.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 51.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,787 Square feet or 259 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 47 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 107 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 6.89
      - Overall: 0.64
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily






Edited because somehow two superimposed bow tubes on the S-01[/1] requires a 10' longer belt than a single one? WTF! The darn things ARE NOT being placed end-to-end! They are stacked on top of each other! Get it together, SS!!

[The Rock Doctor]

As noted in a PM, I'd like the patrol vessel more with a wireless.

Your DD is pretty good - the cross-sectional hull strength is 0.51, though, so you could probably squeeze a few more tonnes into miscellaneous weight.  It might come in handy some time.

Like the pics, but I'll stick to my tiny 1 pixel = 1 foot sketches...

[Carthaginian]

As noted in a PM, I'd like the patrol vessel more with a wireless.

Alas, she's just too light. Even by removing the 3.5" gun, both torpedo tubes, and the armor belt I can just barely squeeze in the wireless. Probably, a special 'radio sloop' based on the Maccaroni will work in each group. ;) You didn't think I'd forgotten her, now did you?

Your DD is pretty good - the cross-sectional hull strength is 0.51, though, so you could probably squeeze a few more tonnes into miscellaneous weight.  It might come in handy some time.

Done, and say 'thank ya'!
An extra 6t was squeezed in at your recommendation.

Like the pics, but I'll stick to my tiny 1 pixel = 1 foot sketches...

Oh, this was just to be showy... most of my stuff will stay 1:1 as well; I might just do some of the smaller, simpler ones like this to make something pretty now and again.

[Carthaginian]

designs re-edited... view the edit note to see why... screwy math...

[The Rock Doctor]

Interesting, also, that this implies a torpedo to be just ten feet long.

[Carthaginian]

Interesting, also, that this implies a torpedo to be just ten feet long.

LOL... yeah, I didn't think about it that way.