Fun Fact

[The Rock Doctor]

If you build an IC for a million folks who already have an IC, you increase your income by $1 per half-year.  The payback period for that new IC is $75/2 = 37.5 years.

If you build an IC for a million folks who do not already have an IC, the payback period is almost halved, because you create income from the population as well as the IC.  The million people go from producing $0.20 to $1, in addition to the $1 from the IC itself.  Therefore, the payback period in this case is:  $75/(1.8*2) = 20 years, 10 months.

Conclusion:  If you're investing in IC strictly to earn income, start with the least industrialized group of people under your control - or go find some to bring the wonders of technology to.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I suspected as much :), even though I never bothered to do the math.
Especialy that all my happy subjects have an IC.
Now, on the other hand, adding some suffering souls to the Habsburg Prosperity Sphere ....
Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

I have a long commute each day.  Sometimes I get to thinking.

Yes, one could infer that colonization is the way to go...

[P3D]

Keep in mind that some colonies are deemed to remain colonies (max IC is half the pop) unless justified...

[Carthaginian]

Keep in mind that some colonies are deemed to remain colonies (max IC is half the pop) unless justified...

Speaking of which- will we develop qualifiers for admitting a colony fully into an empire, or will they always remain colonies? I planned on (after building at least 1 or 2 IC there) allowing a 'statehood vote' to take place in my colonies, and fully admitting them as States in the CSA.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I don't think we need a rule for that - simply a player decision and what he DOES  with a piece of property.

Borys

[Carthaginian]

Ahoj!
I don't think we need a rule for that - simply a player decision and what he DOES  with a piece of property.

Borys

Well, since it would have a fairly major impact on my revenue, I was just wondering how seriously it would be taken. Of course, I can't think of any State that went from 'territory' to 'state' in less than 20 years- so this is a ways off yet.

[Ithekro]

California went from Territory to state in two years.  Of course that could be considered annexed land as well as the Gold Rush sort of helped increase the population rather quickly.  (California can also be blamed, in part, for the Civil War.  The new "free state" crossed the Mason-Dixon Line, which increased tensions again between representation of "Free" and "Slave" states.  Leading first to a near war right then in 1850 (President Taylor died at this point) followed by the Compromise of 1850).

Texas went from Independent country to state in ten years, but that is sort of a special case in its own right.

[P3D]

I am using "colony" as reference to overseas territories, usually on the other side of the world, that are there mainly to provide resources and market for the industry of the home county. For example, I don't see any possibility that Netherlands legislature would allow Indonesia and Kongo as overseas provinces with full rights. Same with French or Italian Equatorial Africa, or the numerous Indian enclaves.

[The Rock Doctor]

True, but that's something that ought to be the decision of the individual government, not something set by the rules.

[Korpen]

For example, I don't see any possibility that Netherlands legislature would allow Indonesia and Kongo as overseas provinces with full rights.

In its entirety, that is true. But there are nine different systems of rule and control in the NOI with everything from a fully integrated area with full rights and non-colonial status (Singapore with parts of Johor, both have a larger european pop the historically) to a lax indirect rule (some of the regencies on outlaying islands), so the local differences are huge.

Basically a region might be integrated if it does not upset the internal balance of the host country, so in the case of the Netherlands there is no posibillity of ever giving Java (about 30m people) full rights.

I started writing up a report on Dutch colonial rule, and future plans and agendas but I really lost interest when this war started, so I doubt I will ever do it now.

[Carthaginian]

Well, the Confederacy does have plans for that:
1.)5+ years as a 'territory'
2.) Vote with 67+% population in favor
3.) 2 IC within borders

After a territory reaches those qualifications, I'll roll 3D6; if I get 5,5,X or 6,6,X then I have a new State. This means that Haiti has a possibility of making it in the minimum time, but the Bahamas have a L-O-N-G way to go.

[P3D]

True, but that's something that ought to be the decision of the individual government, not something set by the rules.

Players are prone to do things that no rational OTL government would do, just because they could get some better return of investment. Some rules are there representing other considerations that a player would ignore to get one or two $ extra revenue.

NB. The colony rule was not written down explicitly, I used it as a rule of thumb for establishing the economy of "backward" places, sometimes with large native population under foreign control. As people are reaching this 50% limit here, apparently I have to write it down, and word it without upsetting half the players.

Problem is that several boundaries were drawn in N2, where overseas possessions were distributed, and the only consideration was that every European country would have some, without any strategy in mind. See the vulnerability of Dutch possessions, DKB, Swiss and Normann economies divided by oceans, and even different ethnicity and language.

Korpen:
You should have separate entries for those areas in your report, where there's a large European population.

Carthaginian:
America can considered to be "developed" (besides NA tribal territories). You can consider Hispaniola to be a basket case if you want to.

[Korpen]

True, but that's something that ought to be the decision of the individual government, not something set by the rules.

Problem is that several boundaries were drawn in N2, where overseas possessions were distributed, and the only consideration was that every European country would have some, without any strategy in mind. See the vulnerability of Dutch possessions, DKB, Swiss and Normann economies divided by oceans, and even different ethnicity and language.

Korpen:
You should have separate entries for those areas in your report, where there's a large European population.

Why? Economically they are integrated, and it is not like we are talking about a lot of people, only about 100k.
Basically i see my investments in IC in the NOI as part of the "ethical policy" in the rule of the colony, aiming to improve the material standard of the people there. Also it represents the explosion in rubber and oil in the region during this period.

[Carthaginian]

Carthaginian:
America can considered to be "developed" (besides NA tribal territories). You can consider Hispaniola to be a basket case if you want to.

This depends how much effort I put into it.
I plan on fixing that damage.