1000 ton destroyer

[Tanthalas]

I wanted speed above all else on them, tripple TT helped, and then the switch to 4" guns helped gain an aditional gun.  As for Expor orders when the 16 run for the fleet is finished i might consider it.

[Korpen]

Armament:
      5 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 162 lbs / 73 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes



Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.44 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (25 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m (10.00 ft / 3.05 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Stern:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:   11.75 ft / 3.58 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Nice ship apart from two things.
Spring sharp never places and guns on the part of the hull marked assigned as freeboard, this means that your ship should have all the three guns forward placed on a about 4,5m long are of the hull.
Secondly, the picture does not match simulation. I suspect that the "majority forward" is simply a miss-click and she should have "majority aft", but it is on thing.
The other thing is that the midbreak is far to far aft, at its present position is close to around 40% of hull length, it should be mover forward to around the front edged of the bridge.

[Tanthalas]

your right >< hate it when i make misclicks like that meh easy fix.  and i could have sworn i went for 33% not 25 oh well thats an easy fix on the pic

[Korpen]

Compared to my planned Kidd class, she is faster and has a heavier torpedo armament, but at the cost of less seakeeping and range. If I buy any, it wont be to analyze as I consider the Kidds to be better suited to the Pacific, if I buy 'em it will be in bulk to beef up my DD forces which have taken a pounding.

She is a far better sea boat then the Kidd-class; remember that seakeeping is a relative not an absolute number. The seakeeping number should have "at top speed and compared to ships of similar size" added to it. The fact that she is 30% larger would giver her a significant advantage is it self, but a 1,07 seakeeping @ 29 kts is around 1,25 @ 27 kts. The fact that the Kidd-class is a flush decker also speaks for the Italian ship.

[Korpen]

your right >< hate it when i make misclicks like that meh easy fix.  and i could have sworn i went for 33% not 25 oh well thats an easy fix on the pic

Shorten the % of forcastle while you are at it, or the guns will not fit.  :)

[Tanthalas]

all patched up

[Desertfox]

The US with the Pacific theater to consider, prefered flush deckers to forecastles, I heard it had something to do with Pacific swells.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
5 four inch guns on a 1000 tonne vessel is silly, but it is only me, I suppose ....
And three guns are raised - both on the forecastle, and one of the aft ones.
Borys

[Korpen]

Ahoj!
5 four inch guns on a 1000 tonne vessel is silly, but it is only me, I suppose ....

Borys

Agreed, she needs at LEAST six if using such small peashooters! ;)

[P3D]

Ahoj!
5 four inch guns on a 1000 tonne vessel is silly, but it is only me, I suppose ....
And three guns are raised - both on the forecastle, and one of the aft ones.
Borys

Yeah, sure, whatever. Pot calls the kettle black.

[Borys]

Hmph!
The SMS Siligia is larger than the OTL HMS Agincourt ...

Borys

[Korpen]

And three guns are raised - both on the forecastle, and one of the aft ones.
Borys

Wrong, there are no guns on the SS forcastle. All the guns are on this part:

- Mid (30 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m (10.00 ft / 3.05 m aft of break)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
That's not what I see on the pic. And interestingly enough, this Mid part has identical height to the Forecastle ...
Regardless of location, the fore guns are above freeboard, and are thus raised.
Borys

[Korpen]

Ahoj!
That's not what I see on the pic. And interestingly enough, this Mid part has identical height to the Forecastle ...
Regardless of location, the fore guns are above freeboard, and are thus raised.
Borys

The fact that parts of the mid portion of a ship has the same height as the forecastle is not exactly rare, in fact, it is the case with pretty much every design there is (such as ALL flush-decked ones).

And the guns are not above the freeboard, as the freeboard is 5,18m at the point were they are.

I think this is a confusion between what would be called forecastle, and what spring sharp mechanics call forecastle. In the real world all of the raised portion would be called forecastle, but springsharp only considers half of the raised portion to be forecastle the remaining is part of the main (mid) portion of the hull.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
With all due respect I think something about your argumentation stinks. Following your line of thought, I can have a raised part of hull, but the guns on it are not raised?

SS instructions are to mark the fore turret as raised
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/battleship/dreadnought-line.gif
Correct me if I missunderstood your argumentation, but you say it isn't "raised"?

I do not wish to offend anybody, but there is something I feel uneasy about.

And please leave flush decked designs out of this, as they are not relevant.

Borys