Italian Scout Cruiser proposal

[Tanthalas]

Forgive me i went on a bit of a ship building spree today

Not very Scary Scout Cruiser

Working on a pic

Italia SC-1908, Italia Scout Cruiser laid down 1908 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   3,841 t light; 3,966 t standard; 4,500 t normal; 4,927 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   446.00 ft / 446.00 ft x 44.00 ft x 14.00 ft (normal load)
   135.94 m / 135.94 m x 13.41 m  x 4.27 m

Armament:
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (6x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on side amidships, all raised guns
      12 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1905 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 414 lbs / 188 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   379.81 ft / 115.77 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   1.00" / 25 mm     66.17 ft / 20.17 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 131 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 22,160 shp / 16,532 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 960 tons

Complement:
   274 - 357

Cost:
   £0.413 million / $1.652 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 52 tons, 1.1 %
   Armour: 581 tons, 12.9 %
      - Belts: 296 tons, 6.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 26 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 259 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,679 tons, 37.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,480 tons, 32.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 659 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,544 lbs / 1,607 Kg = 110.7 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.573
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forecastle (7 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
      - Mid (33 %):      20.00 ft / 6.10 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (7 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.71 ft / 4.48 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 131.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,998 Square feet or 1,300 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 330 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.09
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

Do you have a domestic source of oil production?  If not, I think you to have a mix of fuels instead.

Unless you've got the 1910 (?) cruiser tech, you'd be limited to single deck mounts for the 4".  Anyway, Borys would tell you that you need some heavier guns at the ends.

I think the twelve 19.1 mm guns are unnecessary, in the absence of an air threat.  If you're close enough to use them on something, you'll be too busy turning to avoid torpedoes.

Speed, range, torps are good.  Protection okay other than the belt length needs to be a few centimetres longer...

[Desertfox]

I would suggest putting the guns in single mounts, if you want to avoid controversy. Otherwise peple will pounce on those twin mounts. Thats from personal experience, I had a very similar design.

[P3D]

Italy depends on fuel imports, be that coal or oil. However, getting oil in the needed quantity might not be easy. Holland is at war. Majority of the Persian production is exported to Orange. Russia can be cut off and they are a friend of Austria. American fields are too far away. And the current war is hitting worldwide reserves heavily.

[Tanthalas]

Italy depends on fuel imports, be that coal or oil. However, getting oil in the needed quantity might not be easy. Holland is at war. Majority of the Persian production is exported to Orange. Russia can be cut off and they are a friend of Austria. American fields are too far away. And the current war is hitting worldwide reserves heavily.

Which is why i figured if i had to import anyway i may as well go with oil.  as for the guns i can change that relitivly easy, and before i took over Austria was a friend of Italy.  There is a post somewhere about that.  However that is neither here nor there, I reworked them as mixed fuel.  Im still trying to figure out the guns though not sure 5" or 6".

[Ithekro]

It is not so much an import problem, it is more a supply problem. Oil is still not all that common in terms of availablity.  Coal is more common and has more sources at present.  With fewer sources of oil there is a higher chance of the supply being cut off in times of war.  This reminds me of the reason the R-class battleships were built with coal because the British where worried about the supply of oil being cut off during the war.