the big ship to go with my Heavy Cruisers

[Tanthalas]

its just in the thought stages atm, but i thought id post it to get a feal for opinions on her.

Italia-BB-1908, Italia Light Battle Ship laid down 1908 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   16,345 t light; 17,219 t standard; 18,660 t normal; 19,813 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   530.80 ft / 525.00 ft x 72.65 ft (Bulges 85.00 ft) x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   161.79 m / 160.02 m x 22.14 m (Bulges 25.91 m)  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      9 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,807 lbs / 3,995 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   374.01 ft / 114.00 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   150.97 ft / 46.02 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   374.01 ft / 114.00 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      1.00" / 25 mm   374.01 ft / 114.00 m   23.50 ft / 7.16 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 22,428 shp / 16,731 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,594 tons (80% coal)

Complement:
   797 - 1,037

Cost:
   £1.753 million / $7.013 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,101 tons, 5.9 %
   Armour: 6,540 tons, 35.0 %
      - Belts: 3,444 tons, 18.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 325 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 1,586 tons, 8.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,018 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 167 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,832 tons, 9.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,621 tons, 35.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,315 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,963 lbs / 9,055 Kg = 23.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 18.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.585
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.18 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (14 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (14 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.52 ft / 4.73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,518 Square feet or 2,556 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 785 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.27
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[P3D]

You need numbers (destroyers, small cruisers) not even more capital ships.

[Tanthalas]

gah im horible at destroyers... they are just to little to get everything i want into them lol, as for small cruisers i have one im just waiting to have the right tech so i can build it ^^

[The Rock Doctor]

Like them or not, P3D's right.  You don't want to build something like this and have it stuck in port for lack of escorts and scouts.

Design-wise, I think the stem height, compared to the deck height, will really limit "A" turret's ability to shoot forward.  I'm also not keen on the use of bulges in the absence of torpedo bulkheads - it does just seem to be there for deck armor weight savings and nothing else.

[miketr]

gah im horible at destroyers... they are just to little to get everything i want into them lol, as for small cruisers i have one im just waiting to have the right tech so i can build it ^^

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[P3D]

You can build 1000t destroyers, something no one else could. And you complain...

[Desertfox]

Talk to NS, destroyers are my speciality.

[Tanthalas]

You can build 1000t destroyers, something no one else could. And you complain...

LOL not complaining Belive me just saying i have trouble with them LOL

[Tanthalas]

Big Scary Ship MK II Compleat with semi acurate picture



Italia BB-1908, Italia Battle Ship laid down 1908 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   17,594 t light; 18,494 t standard; 19,820 t normal; 20,881 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   523.19 ft / 521.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   159.47 m / 158.80 m x 25.91 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      9 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all forward
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, all aft
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
      16 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1908 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,833 lbs / 4,007 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   334.48 ft / 101.95 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   186.50 ft / 56.85 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   334.48 ft / 101.95 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   334.48 ft / 101.95 m   23.86 ft / 7.27 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   4th:   0.50" / 13 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 23,672 shp / 17,659 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,387 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   834 - 1,085

Cost:
   £1.811 million / $7.246 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,104 tons, 5.6 %
   Armour: 7,144 tons, 36.0 %
      - Belts: 3,335 tons, 16.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 295 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armament: 2,095 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,228 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 189 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,915 tons, 9.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,331 tons, 37.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,226 tons, 11.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     25,243 lbs / 11,450 Kg = 29.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.49

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.627
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.13 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (18 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m (24.00 ft / 7.32 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (6.00 ft / 1.83 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (18 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.57 ft / 5.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,200 Square feet or 3,084 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 160 lbs/sq ft or 783 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[P3D]

Your fleet composition starts to look like the Austrian-Hungarian one.

[Ithekro]

If they are rivals that might make sense.

[Tanthalas]

Ack another threat in my Lake (Marius tends to view the med as an italian lake).  I must send Publius to Visit with these Austrians.

[The Rock Doctor]

I generally like it - but what happened to the torpedo bulkhead?

As with the scout cruiser, I'd suggest a mix of bunkerage types unless you have a source of domestic oil production.

[Desertfox]

You could kick the Austrians while they are down, that way you get rid of one threat while you still can. ;) Helps when the entire Austrian Fleet is elsewhere.