Somebody mentioned 18x12"?

[Borys]

A quick job - can be improved.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909

Displacement:
   26 354 t light; 28 035 t standard; 30 304 t normal; 32 119 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   665,00 ft / 665,00 ft x 96,00 ft x 28,40 ft (normal load)
   202,69 m / 202,69 m x 29,26 m  x 8,66 m

Armament:
      18 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (6 mounts), 1 000,00lbs / 453,59kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, 4 raised guns
      16 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0,00" / 0,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,00lbs / 0,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 19 108 lbs / 8 667 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   215,00 ft / 65,53 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Upper:   7,00" / 178 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 104% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   30,00 ft / 9,14 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   8,00" / 203 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm         -         1,00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 13,00" / 330 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 33 923 shp / 25 307 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 085 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1 147 - 1 492

Cost:
   £2,909 million / $11,637 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 083 tons, 6,9%
   Armour: 10 337 tons, 34,1%
      - Belts: 4 146 tons, 13,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 749 tons, 2,5%
      - Armament: 3 467 tons, 11,4%
      - Armour Deck: 1 704 tons, 5,6%
      - Conning Tower: 272 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 1 696 tons, 5,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12 038 tons, 39,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 950 tons, 13,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0,7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38 321 lbs / 17 382 Kg = 44,4 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 5,6 ft / 1,7 m
   Roll period: 17,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,76
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,585
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,00 ft / 7,62 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Mid (50%):      17,50 ft / 5,33 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   17,50 ft / 5,33 m
      - Stern:      17,50 ft / 5,33 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,24 ft / 5,56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,4%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,7%
   Waterplane Area: 46 041 Square feet or 4 277 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 193 lbs/sq ft or 942 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,20
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Desertfox]

*Starts developing Quad turrets for Agincourt...* ;D

[Carthaginian]

*Starts developing Quad turrets for Agincourt...* ;D

*starts fortifing Pacific coast instalations against explosion that will occur when she's hit*

[Borys]

Ultima Ratio Regni - Battleship laid down 1909

Displacement:
   34 814 t light; 36 866 t standard; 38 730 t normal; 40 221 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   676,64 ft / 665,00 ft x 110,00 ft x 29,00 ft (normal load)
   206,24 m / 202,69 m x 33,53 m  x 8,84 m

Armament:
      28 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (7x4 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
      16 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 0,00" / 0,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,00lbs / 0,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 25 300 lbs / 11 476 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   15,50 ft / 4,72 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   265,00 ft / 80,77 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   7,00" / 178 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 93% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      4,00" / 102 mm   380,00 ft / 115,82 m   25,00 ft / 7,62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   9,50" / 241 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm   2,00" / 51 mm      2,00" / 51 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 15,00" / 381 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 33 989 shp / 25 356 Kw = 20,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 356 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1 379 - 1 794

Cost:
   £4,113 million / $16,452 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 163 tons, 8,2%
   Armour: 14 618 tons, 37,7%
      - Belts: 5 081 tons, 13,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 406 tons, 3,6%
      - Armament: 4 683 tons, 12,1%
      - Armour Deck: 3 079 tons, 7,9%
      - Conning Tower: 370 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 1 699 tons, 4,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15 280 tons, 39,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 916 tons, 10,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 54 tons, 0,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     47 667 lbs / 21 621 Kg = 55,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 8,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 6,9 ft / 2,1 m
   Roll period: 17,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,69
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,639
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4,00 ft / 1,22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,00 ft / 7,62 m
      - Forecastle (21%):   19,00 ft / 5,79 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,00 ft / 5,79 m
      - Quarterdeck (22%):   19,00 ft / 5,79 m
      - Stern:      19,00 ft / 5,79 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,50 ft / 5,94 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145,6%
   Waterplane Area: 55 473 Square feet or 5 154 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 213 lbs/sq ft or 1 038 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,23
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[maddox]

Reminds me of my mongrel.

USS Agincourt with French 15" quads. But that's WW II style

[Tanthalas]

atm i dont think any of us could build that... quads

[Borys]

1914 quad turrets, turreted secondaries, improved Torpedo Protection

Just over the horizon ...

[Tanthalas]

which lends itself to hmmmmm, thats the next gun step for me i wonder.

[Carthaginian]

That's definately one of those things that make you go "Hmmmmm."
Wonder what I can do with something like that.
Oh well, can't find out on the school comps... they don't have .net on them, so I can't run SpringSharp here. Also, being a non-techie type, I have difficulty with Springstyle. :(

[Ithekro]

Quads are a tricky thing.  The 1914 quads are those for the Normandy-class French Battleships historically.  I don't think any of the actual turrets were completed and I don't know if the system was tested ever.  After that we wait until about 1930s for the next French capital ships armed with quad turrets and finally the King George V-class battleships from the United Kingdom in the late 1930s.  (and plans for quad 14" turrets for the first American Fast Battleships before the go ahead for 16" guns came through).

Worse are the plans for sextuple turrets on an American design in the 1910s.

[Carthaginian]

Well, as I understand it, none of the early 'quads' were actually 'quads'... they were 'double twins.'
They simply had the machinery from two twin turrets sitting side-by-side.
That shouldn't be too hard to pull off at all, it seems.

[The Rock Doctor]

Worse are the plans for sextuple turrets on an American design in the 1910s.

Ah yes, gatlings.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
The "double twins" is true of the French quads - IIRC the 1914 variety, and doubtlessly the 13 and 15 inchers from the 1930s.
The British guns were IIRC "genuine" quads.

Borys

[Tanthalas]

i tend to feal that tripples are plenty to deal with.  Just look at the trouble im having with my 4x3 ship lol

[Ithekro]

Heh, actually a gatling style 12" cannon might be amusing to design....or as they say nearly impossibel and impractical.  But the sextuple turret looked impracticle to begin with (pobably was going to be a set of paired triple mounts in one turret like the French paired twin mounts as a quad).  When I heard of it the first time (I think it was a Tillman type) I was thinking stacked triple turrets like the Virginia class predreadnoughts has with their stacked twin 12"/8" combo.