SMS Semana Santa II

[P3D]

The Tegethoff N-verse Austria has. With 6x275mm.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
No, the Navalism ersatz Tegetthoff
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=825.msg11120#msg11120

I know that the ersatz Tegetthoff is better - it is that I want a turret farm.

As to your image of the Fuso with 18 twelve inch guns - in a RPG based web comic I follow one of the characters took a skill called "convey disturbing image"
:)

ADDED JUSTB BEFORE POSTING
Saw the notice that P3D clarified which Tegetthoff he meant. 
I've got used to calling it the Frankreich :)

Borys

[Desertfox]

Well you could build the ship but for home waters.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Now I must build her ...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/JonEngland/AginSeydlitz-1.jpg\

http://bobhenneman.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11395#11395

Latest specification:
SMS Semana Santa IV, Habsburgs Schlachtschiff laid down 1909

Displacement:
25 620 t light; 26 846 t standard; 28 624 t normal; 30 046 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
677,50 ft / 670,00 ft x 91,00 ft x 29,50 ft (normal load)
206,50 m / 204,22 m x 27,74 m x 8,99 m

Armament:
10 - 10,81" / 275 mm guns (5x2 guns), 800,00lbs / 362,87kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 10,81" / 275 mm guns (2x2 guns), 700,00lbs / 317,51kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
8 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 12 508 lbs / 5 674 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 90
4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 450,00 ft / 137,16 m 17,00 ft / 5,18 m
Ends: 4,00" / 102 mm 220,00 ft / 67,06 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Upper: 8,00" / 203 mm 450,00 ft / 137,16 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,50" / 38 mm 450,00 ft / 137,16 m 45,00 ft / 13,72 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 7,00" / 178 mm 11,0" / 279 mm
2nd: 12,0" / 305 mm 7,00" / 178 mm 11,0" / 279 mm
3rd: 4,00" / 102 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
4th: 1,00" / 25 mm - 1,00" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48 853 shp / 36 444 Kw = 23,50 kts
Range 5 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 200 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
1 099 - 1 430

Cost:
£2,357 million / $9,426 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 335 tons, 4,7%
Armour: 11 227 tons, 39,2%
- Belts: 5 541 tons, 19,4%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 124 tons, 3,9%
- Armament: 2 736 tons, 9,6%
- Armour Deck: 1 585 tons, 5,5%
- Conning Tower: 242 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 2 418 tons, 8,4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10 240 tons, 35,8%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 004 tons, 10,5%
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
38 554 lbs / 17 488 Kg = 61,0 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 6,8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
Roll period: 16,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,56
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,26

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,557
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,36 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,88 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (25%): 17,00 ft / 5,18 m
- Mid (50%): 16,50 ft / 5,03 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 16,50 ft / 5,03 m
- Stern: 16,50 ft / 5,03 m
- Average freeboard: 17,79 ft / 5,42 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85,2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123,3%
Waterplane Area: 42 831 Square feet or 3 979 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 171 lbs/sq ft or 834 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,17
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

Indeed - you have no choice now but to build her.

[Borys]

Hopefully the Final, Final version

SMS Saligia, Habsburgs Schlachtschiff laid down 1909

Displacement:
   25 726 t light; 26 977 t standard; 28 829 t normal; 30 311 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   677,50 ft / 670,00 ft x 91,00 ft x 29,50 ft (normal load)
   206,50 m / 204,22 m x 27,74 m  x 8,99 m

Armament:
      10 - 10,81" / 275 mm guns (5x2 guns), 800,00lbs / 362,87kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 10,81" / 275 mm guns (2x2 guns), 800,00lbs / 362,87kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 12 908 lbs / 5 855 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   17,00 ft / 5,18 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   220,00 ft / 67,06 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   45,00 ft / 13,72 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   7,00" / 178 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   12,0" / 305 mm   7,00" / 178 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   3rd:   4,00" / 102 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      1,00" / 25 mm
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -         1,00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48 037 shp / 35 836 Kw = 23,36 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 333 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1 106 - 1 438

Cost:
   £2,358 million / $9,432 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 335 tons, 4,6%
   Armour: 11 235 tons, 39,0%
      - Belts: 5 542 tons, 19,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 124 tons, 3,9%
      - Armament: 2 736 tons, 9,5%
      - Armour Deck: 1 591 tons, 5,5%
      - Conning Tower: 243 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 2 402 tons, 8,3%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10 354 tons, 35,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 104 tons, 10,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,4%
250 tonnes tripod mast
25 tonnes big Marconi
25 tonnes TT - including 16 torpedos
100 tonnes - whatnots - staff facilities, fighting tops, rangefinders, etc.

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     39 174 lbs / 17 769 Kg = 62,0 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 6,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 16,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,561
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,36 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,88 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,00 ft / 8,53 m
      - Forecastle (25%):   17,00 ft / 5,18 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,50 ft / 5,03 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,50 ft / 5,03 m
      - Stern:      16,50 ft / 5,03 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,79 ft / 5,42 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122,9%
   Waterplane Area: 42 992 Square feet or 3 994 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 172 lbs/sq ft or 841 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,18
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[maddox]

Premier, we need more guns.

How do you mean Admiral?

Our best ships have 8 main guns. The Habsburgers are building a 14 main gun battleship.
We cannot allow that. Let our engineers start on a better armed design.

[Borys]

:)
I'd like to buy the desings for the 10,8" gun and twin mount from Glorious France.
I suppose I could reverse-engineer that, seeing that I've been using and servicing those guns for some time, but I want to play it clean.

Borys

[Ithekro]

....

Why do I see France attempting to make a Fuso with triple 12" gun turrets followed by an Agincourt with triple 12" guns rather than twins?

[Walter]

Nah! France will probably build something like this (if the link works):
http://xoomer.alice.it/bk/NWS/Imperial_Japanese_Navy/image-html/kaneda_s_500000t.html
:)

[maddox]

France doesn't do superfiring.

[The Rock Doctor]

Premier, we need more guns.

Rest assured that in Cartagena, the admirals will be doing their best to keep President Alizandro from learning of the fourteen-gunned monster planned by the Hapsburgs.

[P3D]

I think the most probable solution is the classic ABQXY   but with triples.

[Carthaginian]

Premier, we need more guns.

Rest assured that in Cartagena, the admirals will be doing their best to keep President Alizandro from learning of the fourteen-gunned monster planned by the Hapsburgs.

It will be interesting to see what the revamped Triunfante-class class looks like when this particular little European donnybrook runs it's course.

What will the specifications look like when El Jefe commands his designers to create a 16-gun, 12" battleship design?

[Ithekro]

I hope this won't effect Rohan's programs.  The Mark is quite settled with 12" triples on battlecruisers and twin 14" turrets on Battleships for now.  However the Triple 14" turret is in the planning stages.

But the triple 9" turret is a ways off yet.  Rohan might build one more 9" cruiser to keep the divisions intact, but then stick with 7.5" belted cruisers and 12" battlecruisers afterwards.  The triple 7.5" turret is also a long ways away.