Fractions

[Carthaginian]

One other thing I wanted to bring up. How about increasing costs for BPS and ICs after a certain point? I know its a bit unrealistic but it levels the field and gives smaller countries a chance, otherwise the bigger countries will just run off, its happened in Wesworld.

Something like this:

After 20BP/120IC, BPs cost $400, IC $100. After 30BP/150IC, BPs, cost $500, IC $125. Etc...

That's what happens in real life as well... England ran off and left Germany pre-WWI.
No matter how hard it tried, Germany couldn't quite catch up.

That's about as realistic as it can be.

[Walter]

I'm not sure what exactly you were thinking after reading that bit of mine, Borys, but for some reason I think you are thinking too complicated when it comes to the breakdown of 1 IC (like 72.756389929% of the 1 IC to Resion A, 11.838736828% to region B, etc).

How hard is it, using Habsburg as example, to add 0.7 to Austria, 0.2 to Malta and 0.05 each to Catanduanes and Paraná every time you gain one whole 1 IC total? Especially if you are using that spreadsheet (and I use the spreadsheet a lot), it's a piece of cake as you only need to slightly alter those ICs per region and the sheet itself will make all further adjustments. Hell, if you can juggle a bit with Excel, you can easily change the ICs of all regions by just adjusting one number.

Naturally you can do what Rocky says and forget about Catanduanes and Paraná and concentrate purely on Austria and Malta as I think those two regions are the more important ones. And if those citizens of Catanduanes and Paraná start to protest due to the fact that their region is and stays underdeveloped compared to Austria and Malta, just be nice and send in the Brute Squad (tm) to gently beat them back into their houses. :D

[miketr]

Well, it could conceivably be worse.

Did I mention my getting 22% in first-year calculus?  Thank god there are no integrals in our rule set.

I got that beat...  I was taking Math 241 differential equations and on the first test I got 21, note I beat class average by 4 points.  You don't want to know how many zero's were handed out on that test.  The SOB refused to dump the test because some person got a 100% on it.  A bunch of students went to the department chair to complain and were told the guy was untouchable as he had tenure as a full proffessor.  Twit hadn't actually taught in years he had been teaching grad students.

Michael

[miketr]

That's what happens in real life as well... England ran off and left Germany pre-WWI.
No matter how hard it tried, Germany couldn't quite catch up.

That's about as realistic as it can be.

Actually by the time of WW1 Germany was close or already had passed the UK for industrial capacity.  I would have to check but I know that German manufacturing in the previous 50 years had HUGELY expanded.  Only the USA had more massive expansion. 

I am not in favor of some type of increasing costs for IC / BP past a certain point. 

Michael

[Carthaginian]

That's what happens in real life as well... England ran off and left Germany pre-WWI.
No matter how hard it tried, Germany couldn't quite catch up.

That's about as realistic as it can be.

Actually by the time of WW1 Germany was close or already had passed the UK for industrial capacity.  I would have to check but I know that German manufacturing in the previous 50 years had HUGELY expanded.  Only the USA had more massive expansion. 

I am not in favor of some type of increasing costs for IC / BP past a certain point. 

Michael

They had passed England in production of raw materials (steel plate, etc) but they couldn't equal England's ability to turn out finished product. Germany could build 4-5 ships per budget whereas England could do 6-8 and more if necessary. Germany had greater potential (IC for us) but had neglected their industry (BP) and thus couldn't keep up with the more developed nation.

Also, German was even cheating a bit on building 4-5 ships (at least according to Dreadnought and Castles of Steel) by laying by the necessary steel before funds were approved (exceeding carryover BP limits).
;)

[Korpen]

That's what happens in real life as well... England ran off and left Germany pre-WWI.
No matter how hard it tried, Germany couldn't quite catch up.

That's about as realistic as it can be.

Actually by the time of WW1 Germany was close or already had passed the UK for industrial capacity.  I would have to check but I know that German manufacturing in the previous 50 years had HUGELY expanded.  Only the USA had more massive expansion. 

I am not in favor of some type of increasing costs for IC / BP past a certain point. 

Michael

They had passed England in production of raw materials (steel plate, etc) but they couldn't equal England's ability to turn out finished product. Germany could build 4-5 ships per budget whereas England could do 6-8 and more if necessary. Germany had greater potential (IC for us) but had neglected their industry (BP) and thus couldn't keep up with the more developed nation.

Also, German was even cheating a bit on building 4-5 ships (at least according to Dreadnought and Castles of Steel) by laying by the necessary steel before funds were approved (exceeding carryover BP limits).
;)

That is only true when talking about large warships in particular, Germany made allot more guns, rifles and rail then the UK. also Germany had an army that was quite allot larger the the UKs... Guess they spent much less BPs on ships, and more on guns and support for the army. ;)

Would say that it was more a matter of priority then capacity.

[miketr]

There are a couple of things being talked about right now.

1) Fractional BP's
1a) Bought on a straight scale $75 for 0.25 this looks to be RIP from the mods point of view?
1b) Some type of slopped cost $100 -> $200 -> $300 for .25 -> .5 ->1.0.  Where your buying towards the whole BP.
1c) Another type of slopped cost $100 -> $180 -> $300 for .25 -> .5 ->1.0.  Where your buying each bit as a stand alone thing.
2) Also being talked about is regional totals vs. national totals for POP, IC and BP.  What I have been doing is in effect treating my state as collection of seperate economic units.  My latest economics.

	Pop	BP	IC	Rev
Spain	20.4	4	24	44.4
Portugal	6.12	1.5	9	15.12
Canarias	0.51	00	0.5	1.002
Puerto Rico	1.02	00	1	2.004
Brazil	20.4	2	14	29.28
Philippines	7.14	0.5	3	6.828
Total	55.59	8	51.5	98.634

Are we to total everything?  Total IC for BP calc?  Or just regions?  The answer could change my final math a bit...

My income could be 103.818 instead of 98.634 for example
By total IC I can build .583 more but only Brazil has room for .333 and Puerto Rico, 0.166, etc

Michael

[Carthaginian]

Would say that it was more a matter of priority then capacity.

I'll agree there.
I was just looking at the naval aspect because that seems to be what we deal with most here. Of course, taking anything in isolation leads to mistakes.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Carthaginian - yes, different priorities.
Germany built less battleships than the UK as it had 100 army divisions to provide for. The UK, aggregating the Regulars, Territorials and Indian Army - c.20.
50 corps - each costs c. 250M Marks to create, while a battleship costs 35-40M Marks to build.
A corps has 144 artillery pieces weighting 1,5 tonnes each, and 24 artillery pieces at 3 tonnes each. That is (counts on fingers ... ) 300 tons of steel? Plus 50,000 rifles at 2lb steel each? 


Miketr - IMO you can combine Spain and Portugal. IMO total IC for BP capacity calculations. Regional IC and population for $ calculations. If we go with BP fractions, you can build your next 0,5 BP anywhere. If not, you have to add some IC, then build 1BP, which would be split to round out Iberia and Filipinas.
You should spend your next 37,5$ to bring up the Canarias to 1IC.



Walter - to me Excel spreadsheets are equivalent to rocket science. I do my budgets counting on my fingers and using the calculator built into Windows

Borys

[swamphen]

Walter - to me Excel spreadsheets are equivalent to rocket science. I do my budgets counting on my fingers and using the calculator built into Windows

Good to know I'm not the only one.  :)

[Borys]

Walter - to me Excel spreadsheets are equivalent to rocket science. I do my budgets counting on my fingers and using the calculator built into Windows

Good to know I'm not the only one.  :)

Hmm, does this reveal something about the "Germanic Powers"?
:D
Borys

[Walter]

That is looks like rocket science doesn't mean a thing. For all I know, you two are experts when it comes to rocket science. :D

Even without excel, it should be simple if you stick to a fixed division of the IC. I think it takes me about 15-20 seconds to alter the IC for all five regions of Japan. After that, it takes about 5 minutes to fine tune it to make the progress in each region slightly different from the step before. That's with Excel. I think without it, I would stick to the base increases and would probably take me about a minute or so to recalculate (without a calculator) the ICs for each region. And if you were to stick to what I mentioned above and concentrate purely on Austria and Malta, it should even be easier than with Japan.

Base breakdown of 1 IC for the Empire of Japan. This breakdown is roughly based on the starting IC of Japan and it's region.
Japan ------ +0.5
Korea ------ +0.16
Manchuria -- +0.25
Okinawa ---- +0.03
Primorsk --- +0.06

Hmm, does this reveal something about the "Germanic Powers"?

Makes me wonder if they can make proper calculations in order to hit the enemy ships. :)