New Confederate Destroyer - 1st/1908

[Carthaginian]

Wheeee! A pissing contest!

LOL
BEWARE: those are NOT drops of sunshine falling from the sky, folks. ;)

[Tanthalas]

Come on im staying up till i see your crazy new ship (gets out bull whip, and scratches head what was i going to do with this again)

[Carthaginian]

OK, people... here it is. I simmed it for 1909 laydown, because that's when I plan to produce them (my dance card is full up for 1908). Practical is the project name, and you can see why. She's nothing sexy at all, practical is the word here; a simple, short-ranged patrol sloop. It's maximized for the best seakeeping I can squeeze out of it, and it's armed for fisheries protection and customs duties.

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'Practical', Confederate States of America Sloop laid down 1909

Displacement:
   150 t light; 157 t standard; 201 t normal; 237 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   160.00 ft / 150.00 ft x 15.00 ft x 5.50 ft (normal load)
   48.77 m / 45.72 m x 4.57 m  x 1.68 m

Armament:
      1 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward, 1 raised gun
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 29 lbs / 13 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   1 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Conning tower: 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
   Petrol Internal combustion motors,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 800 shp / 597 Kw = 15.85 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 11.02 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons

Complement:
   26 - 34

Cost:
   £0.013 million / $0.052 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 1.6 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.8 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 36 tons, 18.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 105 tons, 52.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 51 tons, 25.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     376 lbs / 171 Kg = 17.5 x 3.5 " / 89 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 0.3 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 10.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.568
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17.37 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m (6.00 ft / 1.83 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Stern:      8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.58 ft / 3.22 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 1,598 Square feet or 148 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 194 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 104 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.74
      - Longitudinal: 14.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather



LOL... bet you guys were looking for a crazy-sexy-cool warship, huh? ;)

[Tanthalas]

ewwwwww its itty bitty.....

[Carthaginian]

ewwwwww its itty bitty.....

LOL... well, you gotta have SOMETHING for those career lieutenants to drive, now don't you? ;)
Besides, just because they are small don't mean they aren't necessary. I have a lot of coastline, and building ships like this to guard them is a lot smarter than building scads and scads of bigger or faster ships that are a lot more expensive. Also, these little guys are capible of going up every river in Dixie.

Imagine the game warden coming after you in THIS. :D

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I like it.
But 8 light cannon on her - are the fishermen and smugglers that heavily armed and armoured?
Borys

[P3D]

Displacement:
   150 t light; 157 t standard; 201 t normal; 237 t full load
...
   Petrol Internal combustion motors,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 800 shp / 597 Kw = 15.85 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 11.02 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons

I nominate than the first two boats should be named CSN Ronson and CSN Zippo.

[Ithekro]

If you listen to the Japanese today, every American is armed and one will acost you at somepoint in a two week trip.

Oddly enough, many Americans are armed...some are armed with enough hardware to equip a platoon in light arms up to and including .50 cal handguns and Swedish Mausers.

[Carthaginian]

Borys:

You missed the torpedo tube too, didn't you?



P3D:

Nothing's perfect. I don't have diesel engines yet, and this ship is just plain too small for anything else. I COULD put turbines on her, but that defeats the 'simple and cheap' mentality of the whole project. Likely, the first batch will be called 'deathtraps' and I'll buy diesel engines or research them ASAP in order to correct the flaws in the next group of sloops.

[Carthaginian]

Oddly enough, many Americans are armed...some are armed with enough hardware to equip a platoon in light arms up to and including .50 cal handguns and Swedish Mausers.

Most can't outfit a platoon, but they can definitely make a well-equipped squad. ;)

[Carthaginian]

Seriously, a technical question:

Can I not sim the engines as 'petrol' and fuel them with something other than gasoline?
Most privately owned vehicles in the CSA (few and far between ATM) are powered by ethanol. It's not nearly as explosive as gasoline, and is judged 'safer' by the manufacturers. Since I'm such a farming powerhouse, I can handle producing enough ethanol for my domestic ICE fuel needs.

I don't see any reason that I couldn't do this- after all, the Model T ran equally good on either gas or ethanol.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Yes, I missed the torpedo - gosh, the guys going after Bambi must be armed to the teeth ...

I see no problem with ethanol or parafin or kerosene.

Borys

[Korpen]

Ahoj!
Yes, I missed the torpedo - gosh, the guys going after Bambi must be armed to the teeth ...

I see no problem with ethanol or parafin or kerosene.

Borys

I might be wrong, but is not an engine that runs on parafin oil a disel engine in all but name?

[Carthaginian]

Yes, I missed the torpedo - gosh, the guys going after Bambi must be armed to the teeth ...

I see no problem with ethanol or parafin or kerosene.

Well, it never hurts to be prepared, you know.

And the torpedo gives these little guys genuine teeth. I know that 15 knots is very slow, but they can also be used to cause some havoc at night with those torpedoes. Their engines will be virtually smokeless burning ethanol, and you wouldn't be able to hear them till they got pretty close. For an armed merchantman turned pirate, it'd be an interesting fight.

And the Socialists sank a few ships last year, and derailed a train as well.
I haven't forgotten that... and don't intend to.
Soon, all the trouble they have begun will come home to roost.

I might be wrong, but is not an engine that runs on parafin oil a disel engine in all but name?

This is why I asked about ethanol.
Engines configured to burn it are virtually identical to gasoline engines.


Well, except for the going *BOOM* part.

[Korpen]

And the torpedo gives these little guys genuine teeth. I know that 15 knots is very slow, but they can also be used to cause some havoc at night with those torpedoes. Their engines will be virtually smokeless burning ethanol, and you wouldn't be able to hear them till they got pretty close. For an armed merchantman turned pirate, it'd be an interesting fight.

You know, if you don't allow people to own quite as much military hardware, it might be little need for that kind of firepower. After all, owm amny really need QF gun and howitzers to protect their ships and homes? ;)