Orange Capital Ships - Old Thread

[P3D]

Keep cool, I do not want to invade Australia. :P

[Tanthalas]

Keep cool, I do not want to invade Australia. :P

nah but by pure existance a 31 knot BC makes me rethink my 29 knot raiders  ;D

[P3D]

I could slow the ship down to 29kts on 31000t.

Had to do some tweaking with freeboard and lengthen the ship to have adequate underwater armor coverage. Get rid of one of the twin gun mounts (fore one at B position superfiring, aft one between X position superfiring V and Y turret). Reduced displacement a bit.

Main belt inclined at 10*. 2" torpedo bulkhead goes up to main deck.

250t FC, 25t W/T, 50t 'radar', 25t for torpedoes, 50t crew comfort, 100t weight reserve (so light displacement is 34600t).

Displacement:
   34,700 t light; 36,357 t standard; 38,722 t normal; 40,614 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   792.62 ft / 790.00 ft x 93.00 ft x 33.00 ft (normal load)
   241.59 m / 240.79 m x 28.35 m  x 10.06 m

Armament:
      9 - 13.50" / 343 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,230.19lbs / 558.00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (2x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      16 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 12,916 lbs / 5,858 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   24 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.2" / 335 mm   550.00 ft / 167.64 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   180.00 ft / 54.86 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     60.00 ft / 18.29 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   550.00 ft / 167.64 m   40.00 ft / 12.19 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 160,227 shp / 119,530 Kw = 31.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,256 tons

Complement:
   1,379 - 1,794

Cost:
   £5.574 million / $22.296 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,614 tons, 4.2 %
   Armour: 13,442 tons, 34.7 %
      - Belts: 5,508 tons, 14.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,628 tons, 4.2 %
      - Armament: 2,613 tons, 6.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,348 tons, 8.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 345 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 5,970 tons, 15.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,173 tons, 34.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,022 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     44,196 lbs / 20,047 Kg = 35.9 x 13.5 " / 343 mm shells or 6.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.559
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      30.00 ft / 9.14 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (61 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.44 ft / 6.23 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 51,708 Square feet or 4,804 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 174 lbs/sq ft or 851 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.06
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[The Rock Doctor]

Are you content with her freeboard aft?

I didn't realize the design had all of the main battery at the main deck level; I just assumed one was superfiring.  Glad I caught that.

[P3D]

Are you content with her freeboard aft?

I didn't realize the design had all of the main battery at the main deck level; I just assumed one was superfiring.  Glad I caught that.

It gives me 1.00 seakeeping, and 1.2 when the ship slows down to 29kts. As the apparent consensus was to ignore it, 15' is high enough for me.

The weight increase for going 2T4x15" is like 1000t for each superfiring turret. This ship is a lengthened version of my 23kts battleships which does not have superfiring.

[P3D]

The new Orange cruiser/fast battleship to be laid down in 1916.
Speed decreased to 29kts, and 6" secondaries replaced by 5" ones.
Increasing draught to 33' would save like 500t.

A-XY with 5" mounts in B and Q position superfiring.

Orange Cruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30,000 t light; 31,501 t standard; 33,640 t normal; 35,351 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   712.62 ft / 710.00 ft x 93.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   217.21 m / 216.41 m x 28.35 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      9 - 13.50" / 343 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,230.00lbs / 557.92kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward
      4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      16 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 12,186 lbs / 5,527 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   24 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.2" / 335 mm   469.00 ft / 142.95 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   185.00 ft / 56.39 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     56.00 ft / 17.07 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   469.00 ft / 142.95 m   41.00 ft / 12.50 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 120,886 shp / 90,181 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,850 tons

Complement:
   1,241 - 1,614

Cost:
   £4.844 million / $19.376 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,523 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 11,766 tons, 35.0 %
      - Belts: 4,384 tons, 13.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,423 tons, 4.2 %
      - Armament: 2,535 tons, 7.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,111 tons, 9.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 314 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 4,504 tons, 13.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,776 tons, 35.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,640 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 430 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     41,093 lbs / 18,640 Kg = 33.4 x 13.5 " / 343 mm shells or 6.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.594
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      30.00 ft / 9.14 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (50 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.48 ft / 6.24 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 48,040 Square feet or 4,463 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 173 lbs/sq ft or 844 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.17
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[The Rock Doctor]

Impressive - a lot of torpedoes, though.

[Tanthalas]

Impressive - a lot of torpedoes, though.

im with rock, HOLY HELL Thats alot of torpedos... wouldnt a few TBs be a more eficiant method of delivery

[P3D]

Left it there from a previous design, it does not really affect anything. I need some fishes to finish ships that were shot to pieces but still afloat when no smaller ships are available - 8TTs (4x2) with two reloads is not that much - and the ship does not have to be loaded full with torpedoes.

[Tanthalas]

24 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Left it there from a previous design, it does not really affect anything. I need some fishes to finish ships that were shot to pieces but still afloat when no smaller ships are available - 8TTs (4x2) with two reloads is not that much - and the ship does not have to be loaded full with torpedoes.

now corect me if im right, but isnt 24 three times eight? Granted it dosnt realy matter, but might help out your above decks space, as you are curently saying it has 24 launchers located above decks.  the better way would be to say ok it has 8 tubes and acount for the reloads in misc weight.

[Borys]

Quite nice fast battleship.
Even though I don't like ships with six guns.
Would it be possible to cut back on Belt - to 12,5-13", and Turret Face 14", and manage one more MG turret?
Borys

[P3D]

Quite nice fast battleship.
Even though I don't like ships with six guns.
Would it be possible to cut back on Belt - to 12,5-13", and Turret Face 14", and manage one more MG turret?
Borys

What six main guns? I have 9.

[Borys]

Sorry, I meant three turrets :)

Borys

[P3D]

Would cost further 4700t. 4th turret has to be superfiring to have enough deck space for the secondaries, and that needs 102' beam for 1.10 stability.

Orange Cruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   34,700 t light; 36,552 t standard; 38,876 t normal; 40,735 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   719.20 ft / 714.00 ft x 102.00 ft x 33.00 ft (normal load)
   219.21 m / 217.63 m x 31.09 m  x 10.06 m

Armament:
      12 - 13.50" / 343 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,230.19lbs / 558.00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      16 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 15,878 lbs / 7,202 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   12 - 21.0" / 533mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.2" / 335 mm   471.00 ft / 143.56 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   189.00 ft / 57.61 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     54.00 ft / 16.46 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   471.00 ft / 143.56 m   41.00 ft / 12.50 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 131,700 shp / 98,248 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,183 tons

Complement:
   1,383 - 1,799

Cost:
   £5.840 million / $23.359 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,985 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 13,057 tons, 33.6 %
      - Belts: 4,474 tons, 11.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,429 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armament: 3,466 tons, 8.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,341 tons, 8.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 346 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 4,907 tons, 12.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,301 tons, 36.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,176 tons, 10.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 1.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45,168 lbs / 20,488 Kg = 36.7 x 13.5 " / 343 mm shells or 6.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 17.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.566
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.72 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29.50 ft / 8.99 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (55 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   21.76 ft / 6.63 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 51,602 Square feet or 4,794 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 195 lbs/sq ft or 954 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.35
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Borys]

Speed 28 knots?
2x3, 2x2 superfiring?
But nevertheless, as she is at 35K tonnes, she's a powerful, Fast Battleship.
Borys