Orange Capital Ships - Old Thread

[Sachmle]

What I'm getting at is that if one counts all the casemates that are forward of the midbreak, and therefore below deck level the equal 10, but you only show 8 as "hull mount".

14 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas

[P3D]

Ah, I see. I thought I updated that, apparently not. Thanks. An extra 5t misc. weight.

[Sachmle]

Sorry I took so long to make my point. The Solidworks drawing made it a little hard to be specific, mostly because it was sideways. Very nice work though, I wish I had/knew how to use it.  ;)

[P3D]

BTW, wikipedia lists some free 3d modeling tools. I will look at them to see which could be used the easiest...

[P3D]

The Fury class cruiser. Fore superstructure was inspired by the Duquesne class.



Full size image here:
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3210/cruiserassemblyvp8.png

[Jefgte]

 :o :o :o

Cool design - congrats for your works.  ::) ::) ::)

Just a remark... the bridge is perhaps too massive for 1912-13


Jef  ;)

[P3D]

Cool design - congrats for your works.  ::) ::) ::)
Just a remark... the bridge is perhaps too massive for 1912-13

Demanded by the superfiring. The CT must be higher than B turret, the bridge should look over the CT.
My headache is to determine what number of small platforms should go on the mast.


BTW, Jef, about smilies.
Please get the smilie out of your signature, it's hard to determine whether you are joking or not...
And the rolleyes are not compliment, but the opposite.

[Sachmle]

Maybe the issue is the length of superstructure, not the height. Height is necessary due to superfiring, as you stated, but length may be excessive for 1912-13 as Jef noted. I does look like the Duquesne though, I'll give you that.

[Jefgte]

Cool design - congrats for your works.  ::) ::) ::)
Just a remark... the bridge is perhaps too massive for 1912-13

BTW, Jef, about smilies.
Please get the smilie out of your signature, it's hard to determine whether you are joking or not...
And the rolleyes are not compliment, but the opposite.

No offense P3D , thanks to ignore smilies & consider compliments.


Jef

[P3D]

An Orange Cruiser study, essentially the Fury class with slimmed down armor and new (yet to be developed) engines.

Fury class here:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=433.msg22183#msg22183

Orange Cruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   9,699 t light; 10,215 t standard; 11,123 t normal; 11,850 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 65.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 19.81 m  x 7.01 m

Armament:
      8 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x2 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 3,435 lbs / 1,558 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   383.00 ft / 116.74 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   174.00 ft / 53.04 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Upper:   2.00" / 51 mm   180.00 ft / 54.86 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 62,472 shp / 46,604 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,635 tons

Complement:
   541 - 704

Cost:
   £1.679 million / $6.716 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 429 tons, 3.9 %
   Armour: 2,156 tons, 19.4 %
      - Belts: 972 tons, 8.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 480 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 650 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,328 tons, 20.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,487 tons, 40.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,424 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,651 lbs / 4,831 Kg = 27.4 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.468
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (40 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.44 ft / 5.62 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,436 Square feet or 2,177 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 593 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Borys]

Nice AC

[P3D]

Orange will not enter the BC fan club. However, a fast BB might just be built (with protection on the level of the existing battleline), laid down 1914 January, with 9 of the 11 remaining French 13.5" guns.
Main gun arrangement is APY (all centerline, no superfiring), with twin superfiring turrets at BQX position and two additional twin 6" on each side afore of the center turret.

Orange Fast BB laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   27,563 t light; 29,041 t standard; 31,085 t normal; 32,720 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   720.00 ft / 720.00 ft x 95.00 ft x 33.00 ft (normal load)
   219.46 m / 219.46 m x 28.96 m  x 10.06 m

Armament:
      9 - 13.50" / 343 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,230.19lbs / 558.00kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0.39" / 10.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 12,588 lbs / 5,710 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   460.00 ft / 140.21 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   460.00 ft / 140.21 m   40.00 ft / 12.19 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 79,990 shp / 59,673 Kw = 26.75 kts
   Range 8,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,679 tons

Complement:
   1,169 - 1,521

Cost:
   £3.478 million / $13.913 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,573 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 10,744 tons, 34.6 %
      - Belts: 4,168 tons, 13.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,362 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armament: 2,427 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,489 tons, 8.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 298 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,189 tons, 10.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,727 tons, 37.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,522 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 330 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     35,497 lbs / 16,101 Kg = 28.9 x 13.5 " / 343 mm shells or 5.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 17.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.482
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.58 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      30.00 ft / 9.14 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.50 ft / 7.16 m
      - Mid (35 %):      23.50 ft / 7.16 m (15.50 ft / 4.72 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.50 ft / 4.72 m
      - Stern:      15.50 ft / 4.72 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.82 ft / 5.74 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 44,842 Square feet or 4,166 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 883 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.28
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Jefgte]

I agree with you, BC are nice ships but... speed is not armour. I will not enter too in BC Fan Club

If you reduce speed to about 24-25kts, you could have 4T3x343.

I like the disposition of the turrets


Jef 

[P3D]

I agree with you, BC are nice ships but... speed is not armour. I will not enter too in BC Fan Club

If you reduce speed to about 24-25kts, you could have 4T3x343.

I like the disposition of the turrets

Jef

My battleline (after I got the ships built) will have a speed of 23kts. My frigates have the speed of 27kts, so I'd not go for a slower ship.

[P3D]

With this arrangement the turbines are forward of Q turret.