Orange Capital Ships - Old Thread

[P3D]

New reciprocating engines are very expensive (2.2BP for 24kts, 1BP for 21kts). Refurbishment cost $2.

A transport version of the 16kts merchant coaliers cost 0.8BP and $0.6 (equipped with guns as an aux. cruiser), and have a capacity over 9000t. Installing turbines instead of VTE  is less than $3, for a much more capable transport.

So the best idea is scrapping. Unless someone wants coastal defence ships.

[The Rock Doctor]

D1.  Orange has a substantial industrial sector, and relatively compact defensive needs; it shouldn't need to retain obsolete vessels simply for numbers.

[P3D]

They would be kept in reserve for a while. There will be new cruisers laid down 1911, crews will be assigned to the new ships. The Orange fleet is about the same size as in 1906, but there are less "capital ships" command slots available.

[Ithekro]

Refit them as patrol ships for runs between the home lands and the islands in the Atlantic and Indian Oceans?

Other than that, they are very old now.  Rohan has been scrapping or selling ships of that age.

[P3D]

The design is 14 year old, the ships themselves are only past 10.

[Ithekro]

The 1887 ships right?  Refitted 1901?

[Ithekro]

Oh I see, the second set of three.  Those should be fine for patrol work.  They got average speed and long range.  They can match most armored cruisers in firepower, though their armor is a little thin, though not by much.

[Carthaginian]

Probably, scrapping is the best bet.
I might keep one just for foreign stations, but otherwise, they are probably best retired to more useful services... like trimming beards and keeping ladies' legs smooth.

[Borys]

To the wreckers with them.
Borys

[P3D]

The replacements of the old cruisers. Designed by Captain Cesare "Speedy" Goncalves.

ORNS Hermes, Orange Cruiser ship type laid down 1911 (Engine 1912)

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1912

Displacement:
   13,301 t light; 13,931 t standard; 15,217 t normal; 16,246 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.36 ft / 555.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   169.88 m / 169.16 m x 21.34 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      8 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x2 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on centreline, all forward
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 3,745 lbs / 1,699 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   354.00 ft / 107.90 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   199.00 ft / 60.66 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     2.00 ft / 0.61 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   280.00 ft / 85.34 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 79,649 shp / 59,418 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,315 tons

Complement:
   684 - 890

Cost:
   £1.303 million / $5.213 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 468 tons, 3.1 %
   Armour: 4,138 tons, 27.2 %
      - Belts: 2,014 tons, 13.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,017 tons, 6.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,002 tons, 6.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 106 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,176 tons, 20.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,369 tons, 35.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,916 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,599 lbs / 7,529 Kg = 42.6 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.548
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   27.00 ft / 8.23 m (23.00 ft / 7.01 m aft of break)
      - Mid (64 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.92 ft / 6.38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,071 Square feet or 2,515 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 617 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.62
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Tanthalas]

little large for my tastes but looks like an all around solid ship

[P3D]

I had to edit the design, i realized some mistake i made (belt 13' deep, +300t). Good seakeeping at 27kts.

I can have a 3T3 version but I finished the engine techs one year earlier than the turrets. The 27kts 9x9.2 version would be slightly below 12000t.

Also a 'budget' design on 7500t, with 2T3 and 5" armor:

Ship laid down 1912

Displacement:
   7,398 t light; 7,756 t standard; 8,515 t normal; 9,122 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   456.00 ft / 456.00 ft x 57.00 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
   138.99 m / 138.99 m x 17.37 m  x 6.40 m

Armament:
      6 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (2x3 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1912 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 0.40" / 10.2 mm guns in single mounts, 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2,710 lbs / 1,229 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   1.00" / 25 mm   156.00 ft / 47.55 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 45,129 shp / 33,666 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,366 tons

Complement:
   443 - 576

Cost:
   £0.795 million / $3.182 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 339 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 1,758 tons, 20.6 %
      - Belts: 834 tons, 9.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 377 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 501 tons, 5.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 45 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,799 tons, 21.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,362 tons, 39.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,117 tons, 13.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,706 lbs / 4,403 Kg = 24.9 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.90
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.546
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (62 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.28 ft / 6.18 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,072 Square feet or 1,679 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 538 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

I realy like that version looks like a decent ship imo

[Sachmle]

Your deck seems a little crowded w/ all those 3" and 4" deck mounts. And only 2 out of 14 are raised? Add in the 4 10mm mg's and the TTs and I don't know how you'd fit it all.  I'm not saying you can't, I'd just like to see it.  BTW, she seems kinda familiar for some reason, I just can't place it. ;)

[Korpen]

Your deck seems a little crowded w/ all those 3" and 4" deck mounts. And only 2 out of 14 are raised? Add in the 4 10mm mg's and the TTs and I don't know how you'd fit it all.  I'm not saying you can't, I'd just like to see it.  BTW, she seems kinda familiar for some reason, I just can't place it. ;)

It is just seven guns per side, that should not be any trubble to fit.