Orange Frigates

[P3D]

Another one, this one with mixed turbine/reciprocating machinery, and also experimental boilers. It is rather a deepwater minelayer-cruiser, not at all directed against nearby unfriendly powers...
The reason it grew so large was my requirement not to have cramped machinery spaces. This also resulted in the installation of two small turbines. Unless someone is willing to sell me some modern reciprocating engines *looking around*. And I used excess displacement for arming the ship.

laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   2,493 t light; 2,605 t standard; 2,936 t normal; 3,201 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   354.33 ft / 354.33 ft x 39.37 ft x 14.11 ft (normal load)
   108.00 m / 108.00 m x 12.00 m  x 4.30 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1904 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1904 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0.39" / 10.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1904 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 464 lbs / 210 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.39" / 10 mm      0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 7,640 ihp / 5,700 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 596 tons

Complement:
   199 - 259

Cost:
   £0.239 million / $0.955 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 58 tons, 2.0 %
   Armour: 390 tons, 13.3 %
      - Belts: 205 tons, 7.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 12 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 173 tons, 5.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 735 tons, 25.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 981 tons, 33.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 443 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 329 tons, 11.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,020 lbs / 1,370 Kg = 29.3 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.87

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.522
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.4 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.19 ft / 4.02 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.19 ft / 4.02 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.19 ft / 4.02 m
      - Stern:      13.19 ft / 4.02 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.81 ft / 4.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,486 Square feet or 881 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 302 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.75
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[P3D]

I redesigned my old frigates to conform the new rules. The old version would be almost as fast as my corvettes, so I simmed it with 1905 engines instead of 1909 ones. Thus I needed another 700t and decreasing the speed from 26 to 24 knots.

ORN Walvisbaai. scouting frigate laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
3,599 t light; 3,730 t standard; 4,427 t normal; 4,985 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.00 ft / 393.00 ft x 39.30 ft x 17.00 ft (normal load)
   119.79 m / 119.79 m x 11.98 m  x 5.18 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1904 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1904 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1904 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 0.40" / 10.2 mm guns in single mounts, 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1904 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 310 lbs / 141 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.15" / 80 mm   326.00 ft / 99.36 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 128 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.15" / 29 mm, Conning tower: 4.20" / 107 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,613 shp / 14,631 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,255 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   270 - 352

Cost:
   £0.385 million / $1.540 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 39 tons, 0.9 %
   Armour: 652 tons, 14.7 %
      - Belts: 373 tons, 8.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 17 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 238 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 24 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1,618 tons, 36.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,240 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 828 tons, 18.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,287 lbs / 1,491 Kg = 102.7 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 11.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.590
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Mid (40 %):      19.00 ft / 5.79 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.04 ft / 4.58 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 127.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,192 Square feet or 1,040 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 61 lbs/sq ft or 300 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.76
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[P3D]

For another 125t, I can get 8 guns. Arrangement is somewhat Omaha-like, 2-2 gun in fore and aft "castles", one gun mount centerline, one superfiring
fore and aft.

Orange Fleet Frigate laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   4,725 t light; 4,959 t standard; 5,720 t normal; 6,329 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   395.10 ft / 393.00 ft x 47.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
   120.43 m / 119.79 m x 14.33 m  x 5.79 m

Armament:
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0.39" / 10.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1907 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 972 lbs / 441 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.20" / 107 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 117 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   4.20" / 107 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 4.20" / 107 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 37,961 shp / 28,319 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,370 tons

Complement:
   328 - 427

Cost:
   £0.509 million / $2.036 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 122 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 867 tons, 15.2 %
      - Belts: 520 tons, 9.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 75 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 243 tons, 4.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 29 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,725 tons, 30.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,910 tons, 33.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 995 tons, 17.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,494 lbs / 2,492 Kg = 50.9 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.570
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.36 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (65 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.28 ft / 6.18 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,141 Square feet or 1,221 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 75 lbs/sq ft or 366 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.86
      - Longitudinal: 3.63
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Ithekro]

I suppose that would classify as a Second Class Cruiser in other naviesm or perhaps a belted cruiser to Rohan.

[P3D]

SS was slightly modified. The ship should look like this:

[P3D]

Sacrificing some excellent seakeeping allows reducing displacement by 320t, that's almost half a corvette. 3" guns are in high-angle mounts against Zeppelins.

Orange Frigate laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   4,400 t light; 4,628 t standard; 5,359 t normal; 5,944 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   395.10 ft / 393.00 ft x 46.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
   120.43 m / 119.79 m x 14.02 m  x 5.79 m

Armament:
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0.39" / 10.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1907 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 972 lbs / 441 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.20" / 107 mm   305.00 ft / 92.96 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   4.20" / 107 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 4.20" / 107 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 35,892 shp / 26,776 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,317 tons

Complement:
   313 - 407

Cost:
   £0.484 million / $1.938 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 122 tons, 2.3 %
   Armour: 861 tons, 16.1 %
      - Belts: 526 tons, 9.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 75 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 233 tons, 4.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 28 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,631 tons, 30.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,686 tons, 31.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 959 tons, 17.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,470 lbs / 2,027 Kg = 41.4 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.546
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.54 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Mid (58 %):      20.00 ft / 6.10 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.38 ft / 5.30 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,570 Square feet or 1,168 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 75 lbs/sq ft or 364 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[P3D]

Fast version with more guns.

Orange Frigate laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   5,000 t light; 5,201 t standard; 5,692 t normal; 6,084 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   452.10 ft / 450.00 ft x 47.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
   137.80 m / 137.16 m x 14.33 m  x 5.79 m

Armament:
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0.39" / 10.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1907 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 756 lbs / 343 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.15" / 80 mm   387.00 ft / 117.96 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 132 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 4.20" / 107 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 45,063 shp / 33,617 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 883 tons

Complement:
   326 - 425

Cost:
   £0.541 million / $2.165 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 95 tons, 1.7 %
   Armour: 798 tons, 14.0 %
      - Belts: 487 tons, 8.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 22 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 260 tons, 4.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 29 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,048 tons, 36.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,944 tons, 34.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 692 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 115 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,897 lbs / 1,767 Kg = 36.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.496
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Mid (56 %):      20.00 ft / 6.10 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.24 ft / 5.25 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 132.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,038 Square feet or 1,304 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 379 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.95
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Borys]

I prefer the faster version.
Borys

[P3D]

Orange has 10 old frigates (protected cruisers) requiring immediate refit due to being commissioned 1894-96. 5 each of the following classes:
3800t, 19kts, 7000@12, 2x8" 8x5"
5700t, 20kts, 12000@10, 2x8" 12x5"

Should I refit them, or don't bother? The bigger ones are too expensive to maintain for their small combat capability (for their size). Besides them I have 4 old frigate (refitted but replacement needed in 2 years), 5 new ones and 2 additional being built.
Fitting new engines just does not worth it (reciprocating engines with 1500-2000t weight, new one would cost 1BP and $2 for the same speed). I could use one or two as minelayers with new engines, but then I don't really need to lay down so many mines.

[Ithekro]

Outfit (reclassify) them as patrol craft and keep them for local patrols or patrolong your islands.

[Carthaginian]

The large ones would make fine scrap iron, and the smaller ones can be decent guard ships for your fleet bases... primarily as depot/support ships for TB squadrons.

[P3D]

Actually, I plan to donate one of the smaller ships to Oman, for the price of the refit. The rest will soldier on.
The big ones...No refit. They were long-range commerce raiders. Placing them into reserve would be a gesture towards the DKB. Place one each on Keeling, Tortugas and Christmas island. Convert some bunkers into storage/accomodation until permanent ports are built. 2 of them will be scrapped.
Should I leave the 8" and 5" guns on or use them on shore defence?

[Ithekro]

They should be decent guns still.  Perhaps land the 8 inch and replace them with a lighter gun more fitting their new duties.  If you feel it is worth it, land some of the 5 inch for more quick fire guns to deal with local pirates and the like.

[P3D]

I am planning to build some sloops to patrol te extensive and mostly unpopulated African coastline, freeing up navy ships for fleet operations.
Planned class size is relatively large, 12-18.

Armament is to take on any destroyer or auxiliary cruiser, with two torpedoes that are fitted only wartime. Large misc. weight is for two large motor launch, minelaying/sweeping equipment. Speed to catch passenger ships and old cruisers. Armor is against destroyer weapons.
A smaller, 1000t version have less rounds, only one launch and is slower (18kts). Right now undecided of the options.

Orange Sloop laid down 1909

Displacement:
   1,349 t light; 1,411 t standard; 1,660 t normal; 1,859 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   252.00 ft / 252.00 ft x 35.00 ft x 13.00 ft (normal load)
   76.81 m / 76.81 m x 10.67 m  x 3.96 m

Armament:
      2 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      2 - 0.40" / 10.2 mm guns in single mounts, 0.03lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 243 lbs / 110 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   2 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   160.00 ft / 48.77 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,593 shp / 5,664 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 449 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   129 - 169

Cost:
   £0.126 million / $0.504 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 30 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 188 tons, 11.4 %
      - Belts: 69 tons, 4.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 10 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 109 tons, 6.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 380 tons, 22.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 651 tons, 39.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 311 tons, 18.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 6.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,403 lbs / 1,090 Kg = 22.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.94

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.507
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.20 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.50 ft / 5.94 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.50 ft / 5.94 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.95 ft / 4.86 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,913 Square feet or 549 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 129 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 54 lbs/sq ft or 264 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.82
      - Longitudinal: 6.05
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

I'd like to see the smaller design for comparison.