Bavarian Kleiner Kreuzer

[Borys]

SMS Augsburg and SMS Baden-Baden, Koenigreich Bayern small cruisers laid down in 1906

Displacement:
   3 555 t light; 3 687 t standard; 4 124 t normal; 4 474 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   360,89 ft / 360,89 ft x 39,37 ft x 18,04 ft (normal load)
   110,00 m / 110,00 m x 12,00 m  x 5,50 m

Armament:
      2 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99,21lbs / 45,00kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      6 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 33,07lbs / 15,00kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0,31" / 7,8 mm guns in single mounts, 0,01lbs / 0,01kg shells, 1906 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 397 lbs / 180 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 14,0" / 356 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,00" / 25 mm         -         1,00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 4,00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 27 073 shp / 20 196 Kw = 26,00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 787 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   256 - 334

Cost:
   £0,433 million / $1,731 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 52 tons, 1,3%
   Armour: 415 tons, 10,1%
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 22 tons, 0,5%
      - Armour Deck: 371 tons, 9,0%
      - Conning Tower: 22 tons, 0,5%
   Machinery: 1 888 tons, 45,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 174 tons, 28,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 569 tons, 13,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 913 lbs / 868 Kg = 18,6 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37
   Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 11,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (30%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m (13,29 ft / 4,05 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Stern:      13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,63 ft / 4,77 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 158,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98,4%
   Waterplane Area: 10 038 Square feet or 933 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 302 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,91
      - Longitudinal: 2,43
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[olekit]

Bavaria is a new playing nation?

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I was bored, so I decided to "flesh out" Bavaria. So that it is not a nebulous NPC, but a well defined NPC. Over time I may do this with other NPCs.
However, Freeze declared the intention of taking over Bavaria. So Bavaria PC is coming :)

Borys

[swamphen]

It's always good to know what we're up against. :)

*goes back to planning the Bavarian Reconquista*  ;D

[The Rock Doctor]

*demobilizes on the Peruvian border*

[Desertfox]

Most excellent! Now I just have to contact Bavaria...

BTW I think we should have a board for NPCs, sevral are pretty important and already have their forces fleshed out (ie Siam).

[Borys]

Ahoj!
That is somewhere on the "to do" list :)
But you are right, it is a good thing to have fleshed out NPCs, to avoid surprises like we had at the old board.

Borys

[Bazhell]

@Borys

The ships look very good to me, but i'm limited to 5000 PS per shaft at the moment..., otherwise i would prefer a armament of 10 10,5 cm and 4 or 6 5,2 cm. I have a lot of research to do, Torpedo Technology and Light cruiser architecture.

[Borys]

Ahoj!

I thought Bavaria had better tech than that, that it got the same Naval tech that Austria had in 1904. Maybe I overlooked that, must look for old posts on subject. Maybe Koenigreich Bayern bought this tech in 1/1906?

It should be a simple swap 2x150cm for 4x10,5cm.

The way I wrote up Bavaria those 2 cruisers and 10 TBs exhaust the supply of naval officers the Kingdom has :)

Possible sources:
- Habsburg Navy - even though the Tirol was not a prime recruitment ground for Navy Officers, the habsburg fleet suffered serious downsizing, with an excess of manpower at present. Even though posting as advisors to the Middle Kongdom navy alleviated the problem of having officers/NCOs on land, this still is an issue. I suppose you can poach a dozen or two more officers and corresponding number of NCOs, including one Linienschiff Kapitan
- half a dozen from the DKB? - lured by promotion, maybe from Catholic minority
- another dozen or two from the French Navy, as the remaining Badeners/Wurtembergers, mabe Alsatians see that Bavaria is serious about a fleet?
- half a dozen/ dozen from the Baltikum - lured by promotion, maybe from Catholic minority, maybe hoping for Bavaria to be the unifier of Germany/unhappy with Scandinavian bent of Baltikum/ Saxon revival (there is a strong Plattdeutsch movement at present, with use of Low German with Nederlands inspired orthography being very trendy in influential circles in German speaking part of Baltikum; a "we are Saxons and poo on Schwabs/Franks/Hessians/Bavarians movement")

Rough guide - minesweepr/ small TB - 1 or 2 officers, GTB (750 + tons) - 3 officers, small cruiser 6-10 officers, large cruiser - c.15 officers, battleship 30-40 officers.
Time needed to train Officer from Kadett to Linienschiffekaapitan - 20 years at minimum. First homegrown Bavarian Kontr-Admiral - c.1930.

Borys

[Bazhell]

First Try :)

Augsburg, Bavaria Kleiner Kreuzer laid down 1906

Displacement:
   3.554 t light; 3.687 t standard; 4.124 t normal; 4.474 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   360,89 ft / 360,89 ft x 39,37 ft x 18,04 ft (normal load)
   110,00 m / 110,00 m x 12,00 m  x 5,50 m

Armament:
      4 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 2,05" / 52,0 mm guns in single mounts, 4,29lbs / 1,95kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 388 lbs / 176 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 14,0" / 356 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,98" / 25 mm   0,98" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   0,98" / 25 mm   0,98" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   0,98" / 25 mm   0,98" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2,01" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 4,02" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20.143 shp / 15.027 Kw = 24,20 kts
   Range 5.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 787 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   256 - 334

Cost:
   £0,367 million / $1,466 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 48 tons, 1,2%
   Armour: 437 tons, 10,6%
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 42 tons, 1,0%
      - Armour Deck: 373 tons, 9,0%
      - Conning Tower: 22 tons, 0,5%
   Machinery: 1.439 tons, 34,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.621 tons, 39,3%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 570 tons, 13,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 8 tons, 0,2%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3.010 lbs / 1.365 Kg = 85,2 x 4,1 " / 105 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32
   Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 11,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,14
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20,90 ft / 6,37 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Mid (50%):      13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Stern:      13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Average freeboard:   13,90 ft / 4,24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90,7%
   Waterplane Area: 10.038 Square feet or 933 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 446 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,42
      - Longitudinal: 2,75
      - Overall: 1,51
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Quite nice. Seems you have a large reserve in that design, with overall strenght 1,5.
Maybe add two more 105mm guns?
Add a 2 inch belt?
Large stability reserve - you can change trimm  to  improve "gunnery platform".
Maybe increase range?
Borys

[Carthaginian]

I'd go for a lighter deck, and a belt like Borys is suggesting.
Also, if possible, I'd go with 18" torpedoes.
14" just seems a little too small.

[Bazhell]

Augsburg, Bavaria Kleiner Kreuzer laid down 1906

Displacement:
   3.663 t light; 3.806 t standard; 4.124 t normal; 4.379 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   360,89 ft / 360,89 ft x 39,37 ft x 18,04 ft (normal load)
   110,00 m / 110,00 m x 12,00 m  x 5,50 m

Armament:
      4 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (6 mounts), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 2,05" / 52,0 mm guns in single mounts, 4,29lbs / 1,95kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 458 lbs / 208 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4,00" / 102 mm   269,03 ft / 82,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 115% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 2,00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20.143 shp / 15.027 Kw = 24,20 kts
   Range 5.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 573 tons

Complement:
   256 - 334

Cost:
   £0,359 million / $1,438 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 57 tons, 1,4%
   Armour: 1.002 tons, 24,3%
      - Belts: 581 tons, 14,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 38 tons, 0,9%
      - Armour Deck: 371 tons, 9,0%
      - Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0,3%
   Machinery: 1.308 tons, 31,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.288 tons, 31,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 461 tons, 11,2%
   Miscellaneous weights: 8 tons, 0,2%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3.366 lbs / 1.527 Kg = 95,3 x 4,1 " / 105 mm shells or 0,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24
   Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 12,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20,90 ft / 6,37 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Mid (50%):      13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Stern:      13,29 ft / 4,05 m
      - Average freeboard:   13,90 ft / 4,24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 114,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85,1%
   Waterplane Area: 10.038 Square feet or 933 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 354 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,12
      - Longitudinal: 2,19
      - Overall: 1,19
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


Added Belt Armor and 2 more guns, i like this really strong ship :)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Quit nice. I'd prefer to have 2x15cm on the ends, of course :)
I'm not so sure about the oil - you have none, and have ample coal.
Borys

[Korpen]

Augsburg, Bavaria Kleiner Kreuzer laid down 1906

Really nice boat, got a nice balance. The only thing is that she might lack a bit of a heavy punch that 15cm guns can give, this might put her at a disadvantage against enemy cruisers.

But oil firing in 1906? I think pretty much no-one had it back then (in game that is).