1908 Confederate CDS (projected)

[Walter]

Mainly you'll find the odd ships with turreted medium guns

Exactly. Now I am no expert (and currently too lazy to look it up in books and on the net) but I'd guess that at this point in time, those secondary turrets are probably too slow to operate, the deck mounts too exposed to enemy fire, so that's why the majority of the big ships had the secondaries in casemates.

And yes, i am in a BC "period"

The horror! The horror!  :o

[Desertfox]

That's why I have complained about the restrictions on turrented secondaries especially when they form part of the main armament.

Ah a Fisher Folly! Unfortunately Korpen it can not outrun everything on the seas, Swiss Heavy Cruisers are faster still...but I like her and am planning something similar if much faster.

[Korpen]

That's why I have complained about the restrictions on turrented secondaries especially when they form part of the main armament.

Ah a Fisher Folly! Unfortunately Korpen it can not outrun everything on the seas, Swiss Heavy Cruisers are faster still...but I like her and am planning something similar if much faster.

But coal fired, so they are unlikely to be able to keep their top speed for more then 2-3h at most.
Also they are no longer in accordance with the rules. :P

But is no folly, even with uncapped shells the guns can penetrated ever battleship in existence out to at least 60hm, most likely more.
And with her speed she can close the distance with a battleship and the fight as equals, as both ships can smash the other ships armour with impunity. I have done my Fisher-homework. :)

[Desertfox]

Constellation is going to be full Oil Fired and is fully rule compliant...

Oh Im not saying its a folly, I too like 'em! I'm probably Fisher's most vocal supporter around!

[Carthaginian]

Here's the reworked version- casemated secondaries, larger secondary battery, and a bit more armor at the waterline.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1908

Displacement:
   6,000 t light; 6,375 t standard; 6,769 t normal; 7,084 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   400.00 ft / 400.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 16.00 ft (normal load)
   121.92 m / 121.92 m x 21.34 m  x 4.88 m

Armament:
      2 - 13.50" / 343 mm guns in single mounts, 1,250.00lbs / 566.99kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 2.75" / 69.9 mm guns in single mounts, 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 2.75" / 69.9 mm guns in single mounts, 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 3,425 lbs / 1,554 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   250.00 ft / 76.20 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   150.00 ft / 45.72 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   250.00 ft / 76.20 m   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -         4.00" / 102 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,000 shp / 7,460 Kw = 18.65 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 708 tons

Complement:
   373 - 485

Cost:
   £0.641 million / $2.563 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 429 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 2,352 tons, 34.7 %
      - Belts: 1,380 tons, 20.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 379 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 532 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 62 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 505 tons, 7.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,689 tons, 39.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 769 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,444 lbs / 4,737 Kg = 8.5 x 13.5 " / 343 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.529
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Mid (50 %):      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   12.64 ft / 3.85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,158 Square feet or 1,780 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 535 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.42
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Looks good.
Borys

[Borys]

Ahoj!
CSS Hampton Roads, CSA Coastal Bombardment Ship laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)
Aka the "Killer Bathtub"

Displacement:
   9 507 t light; 10 108 t standard; 10 831 t normal; 11 409 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   405,00 ft / 405,00 ft x 90,00 ft (Bulges 100,00 ft) x 12,00 ft (normal load)
   123,44 m / 123,44 m x 27,43 m (Bulges 30,48 m)  x 3,66 m

Armament:
      2 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1 250,00lbs / 566,99kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline forward, all raised guns
      6 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 25,00lbs / 11,34kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1908 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 15,00lbs / 6,80kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2 710 lbs / 1 229 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   300,00 ft / 91,44 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 114% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      1,00" / 25 mm   300,00 ft / 91,44 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   8,00" / 203 mm      8,00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 6,00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 392 shp / 5 514 Kw = 15,00 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 302 tons

Complement:
   530 - 690

Cost:
   £0,664 million / $2,656 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 338 tons, 3,1%
   Armour: 3 875 tons, 35,8%
      - Belts: 1 470 tons, 13,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 167 tons, 1,5%
      - Armament: 437 tons, 4,0%
      - Armour Deck: 1 738 tons, 16,1%
      - Conning Tower: 63 tons, 0,6%
   Machinery: 336 tons, 3,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 857 tons, 44,8%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 324 tons, 12,2%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     39 422 lbs / 17 882 Kg = 32,0 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 11,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,53
   Metacentric height 8,8 ft / 2,7 m
   Roll period: 14,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,780
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4,05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23,00 ft / 7,01 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Mid (50%):      15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Stern:      15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,64 ft / 4,77 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 48,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168,9%
   Waterplane Area: 31 322 Square feet or 2 910 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 147%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 634 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,61
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Carthaginian]

She'd look a lot more like that if I had 'all or nothing' armor tech, Borys.

PacFleet is going to get some interesting ships in the next 15 years... these are just the beginning.