The Rouge cruiser for France

[The Rock Doctor]

Alas, Gran Colombian shipyards are too busy building ships for Gran Colombia to oblige Premier Paixhans.

[Korpen]

 Main:   7,48" / 190 mm   426,61 ft / 130,03 m   10,27 ft / 3,13 m
  Ends:   2,76" / 70 mm     91,86 ft / 28,00 m   10,27 ft / 3,13 m
    1,54 ft / 0,47 m Unarmoured ends
    Main Belt covers 126% of normal length
    Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

That must be fixed as that is not a good thing

A bit of advice, the main armaments is better simmed as 3x3 distributed on the centreline.
Springsharp does strange things with the weight when you put is in different slots, and it adds extra ammo to each of the weapons slots after the first one.

[olekit]

Putilovsky Plant would not compete in tender of rebuild the French Glorie cruiser. But offers its own design of the ship, made for Russian fleet.

BB 34, Russia Battleship laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   19 486 t light; 20 700 t standard; 22 141 t normal; 23 294 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   568,68 ft / 564,63 ft x 85,10 ft x 28,54 ft (normal load)
   173,33 m / 172,10 m x 25,94 m  x 8,70 m

Armament:
      9 - 14,02" / 356 mm guns (2 mounts), 1 376,64lbs / 624,43kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     Main guns limited to end-on fire
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 13 676 lbs / 6 203 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 21,0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,45" / 240 mm   365,49 ft / 111,40 m   10,70 ft / 3,26 m
   Ends:   2,95" / 75 mm   179,10 ft / 54,59 m   10,70 ft / 3,26 m
     20,05 ft / 6,11 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   2,95" / 75 mm   332,68 ft / 101,40 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,38" / 35 mm   332,68 ft / 101,40 m   23,72 ft / 7,23 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,95" / 75 mm      9,45" / 240 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 9,84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48 199 shp / 35 957 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 594 tons

Complement:
   906 - 1 179

Cost:
   £2,425 million / $9,699 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 709 tons, 7,7%
   Armour: 5 539 tons, 25,0%
      - Belts: 2 166 tons, 9,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 402 tons, 1,8%
      - Armament: 1 316 tons, 5,9%
      - Armour Deck: 1 486 tons, 6,7%
      - Conning Tower: 167 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 2 191 tons, 9,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9 847 tons, 44,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 655 tons, 12,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24 895 lbs / 11 292 Kg = 18,1 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 16,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,565
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -2,30 ft / -0,70 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Stern:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164,2%
   Waterplane Area: 34 011 Square feet or 3 160 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 193 lbs/sq ft or 941 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 2,35
      - Overall: 1,02
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Korpen]

Armament:
      9 - 14,02" / 356 mm guns (2 mounts), 1 376,64lbs / 624,43kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     Main guns limited to end-on fire
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 13 676 lbs / 6 203 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   2 - 21,0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

You do not want to fire broadsides? And I guess that it should be three and not two turrets.

[olekit]

I know. It is quick draft... I'll make changes to all of my designs

[Borys]

Ahoj!
The final version:

MN Chevalier Rouge, France Unique laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   11 913 t light; 12 560 t standard; 14 896 t normal; 16 765 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   506,43 ft / 500,00 ft x 65,00 ft x 26,00 ft (normal load)
   154,36 m / 152,40 m x 19,81 m  x 7,92 m

Armament:
      2 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns in single mounts, 634,56lbs / 287,83kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns in single mounts, 226,24lbs / 102,62kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2,76" / 70,1 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 12 raised mounts
      16 - 0,98" / 24,9 mm guns in single mounts, 0,47lbs / 0,21kg shells, 1908 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4 653 lbs / 2 111 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   17,00 ft / 5,18 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   150,00 ft / 45,72 m   13,00 ft / 3,96 m
     Main Belt covers 108% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   6,00" / 152 mm         -         2,00" / 51 mm
   4th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 442 shp / 34 646 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 205 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   673 - 876

Cost:
   £1,212 million / $4,849 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 560 tons, 3,8%
   Armour: 4 252 tons, 28,5%
      - Belts: 2 052 tons, 13,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 1 176 tons, 7,9%
      - Armour Deck: 894 tons, 6,0%
      - Conning Tower: 130 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2 322 tons, 15,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 579 tons, 30,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 983 tons, 20,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1,3%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 203 lbs / 8 257 Kg = 28,7 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 2,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 15,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Forecastle (30%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Mid (50%):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Stern:      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,36 ft / 6,51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,5%
   Waterplane Area: 24 150 Square feet or 2 244 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 571 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,99
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Thickening the main belt to 8 inches, and lowring it to 15 feet does not change much. If anything ...

MN Chevalier Rouge - Final (8 inch elt version) , France Unique laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   11 913 t light; 12 560 t standard; 14 896 t normal; 16 765 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   506,43 ft / 500,00 ft x 65,00 ft x 26,00 ft (normal load)
   154,36 m / 152,40 m x 19,81 m  x 7,92 m

Armament:
      2 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns in single mounts, 634,56lbs / 287,83kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns in single mounts, 226,24lbs / 102,62kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2,76" / 70,1 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 12 raised mounts
      16 - 0,98" / 24,9 mm guns in single mounts, 0,47lbs / 0,21kg shells, 1908 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4 653 lbs / 2 111 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8,00" / 203 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   150,00 ft / 45,72 m   13,00 ft / 3,96 m
     Main Belt covers 108% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   6,00" / 152 mm         -         2,00" / 51 mm
   4th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 442 shp / 34 646 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 205 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   673 - 876

Cost:
   £1,212 million / $4,849 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 560 tons, 3,8%
   Armour: 4 267 tons, 28,6%
      - Belts: 2 067 tons, 13,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 1 176 tons, 7,9%
      - Armour Deck: 894 tons, 6,0%
      - Conning Tower: 130 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2 322 tons, 15,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 564 tons, 30,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 983 tons, 20,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1,3%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 145 lbs / 8 230 Kg = 28,6 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 2,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 15,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Forecastle (30%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Mid (50%):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Stern:      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,36 ft / 6,51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,5%
   Waterplane Area: 24 150 Square feet or 2 244 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 569 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,92
      - Longitudinal: 1,99
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[P3D]

Made some changes of the Gloire II version. External dimensions still the same as the old one. Modified the upper armor scheme for full cover. Removed the useless torpedo bulkhead.

Note: the ship has 8 belowdeck casemate guns (fore the midbreak). As the armoredcitadel is covered by the upper belt, the secondary armor for those guns is counted twice (upper belt 'lowered' to reflect this 100t difference).

The ship will be launched next year, then delivered to Italy where the triple 11" turrets will be installed. They cost is 0.8BP and $1.6.

Gloire II, laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   11,775 t light; 12,472 t standard; 14,800 t normal; 16,662 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   520.00 ft / 520.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
   158.50 m / 158.50 m x 21.34 m  x 7.92 m

Armament:
      6 - 10.83" / 275 mm guns (2x3 guns), 635.12lbs / 288.09kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.64lbs / 37.94kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.76" / 70.1 mm guns in single mounts, 10.51lbs / 4.77kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 5,652 lbs / 2,564 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   180.00 ft / 54.86 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   10.30 ft / 3.14 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 44,554 shp / 33,237 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,190 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   670 - 872

Cost:
   £1.317 million / $5.270 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 706 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 3,815 tons, 25.8 %
      - Belts: 2,015 tons, 13.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 758 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 938 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,228 tons, 15.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,876 tons, 32.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,025 tons, 20.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,108 lbs / 7,306 Kg = 25.4 x 10.8 " / 275 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.547
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.43 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (53 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.64 ft / 5.38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,340 Square feet or 2,354 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 616 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.68
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily