The Rouge cruiser for France

[Borys]

MN Chevalier Rouge, France Unique laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   11 820 t light; 12 473 t standard; 14 800 t normal; 16 661 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   506,43 ft / 500,00 ft x 65,00 ft x 26,00 ft (normal load)
   154,36 m / 152,40 m x 19,81 m  x 7,92 m

Armament:
      4 - 9,45" / 240 mm guns (2x2 guns), 421,95lbs / 191,39kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7,50" / 191 mm guns (6 mounts), 210,94lbs / 95,68kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
      12 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns in single mounts, 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4 854 lbs / 2 202 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   150,00 ft / 45,72 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 108% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 184 shp / 34 453 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 188 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   670 - 872

Cost:
   £1,247 million / $4,986 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 607 tons, 4,1%
   Armour: 3 845 tons, 26,0%
      - Belts: 1 777 tons, 12,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 1 047 tons, 7,1%
      - Armour Deck: 890 tons, 6,0%
      - Conning Tower: 130 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2 309 tons, 15,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 859 tons, 32,8%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 980 tons, 20,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16 954 lbs / 7 690 Kg = 40,2 x 9,5 " / 240 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05
   Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 16,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,613
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Forecastle (30%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Mid (50%):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Stern:      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,36 ft / 6,51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,6%
   Waterplane Area: 24 060 Square feet or 2 235 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 608 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 2,05
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Korpen]

Why not make her 1000ton larger and get a ship with 8x30cm guns (and having the same speed and armour)?
I fear a ship such as this will be obsolete before she is finished.

[Earl822]

A scheme I developed for France, as a replacement for the Terrible class, unfortunately the UNK has no spare capacity at the moment.

, France Armoured Cruiser laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   11,910 t light; 12,548 t standard; 14,025 t normal; 15,207 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   549.03 ft / 544.62 ft x 71.36 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
   167.34 m / 166.00 m x 21.75 m  x 7.00 m

Armament:
      6 - 10.83" / 275 mm guns (3x2 guns), 683.43lbs / 310.00kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (6x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns (4 mounts), 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft, 4 raised guns - superfiring
      12 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1905 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5,149 lbs / 2,336 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes, 2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   2.76" / 70 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   4.13" / 105 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   7.38 ft / 2.25 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   6.89" / 175 mm      6.89" / 175 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 9.84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 44,122 shp / 32,915 Kw = 25.25 kts
   Range 6,300nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,659 tons

Complement:
   643 - 837

Cost:
   £1.207 million / $4.830 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 607 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 4,048 tons, 28.9 %
      - Belts: 2,101 tons, 15.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 836 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 988 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 123 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,006 tons, 14.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,150 tons, 36.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,115 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,453 lbs / 7,010 Kg = 24.4 x 10.8 " / 275 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 16.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (40 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (40 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.16 ft / 5.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,122 Square feet or 2,520 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 629 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.45
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

100tons Misc weight is:-

50tons Full WT setup
25tons 6 torpedoes and 10 reloads
25tons Flag Facilities

[Borys]

Will France pay me 22$ for this?

MN Chevalier Rouge, France Unique laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14 208 t light; 15 141 t standard; 17 739 t normal; 19 818 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   506,97 ft / 500,00 ft x 80,00 ft x 26,00 ft (normal load)
   154,52 m / 152,40 m x 24,38 m  x 7,92 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
      12 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns in single mounts, 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 8 390 lbs / 3 806 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   150,00 ft / 45,72 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 108% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48 081 shp / 35 868 Kw = 24,40 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 677 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   768 - 999

Cost:
   £1,715 million / $6,859 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 049 tons, 5,9%
   Armour: 4 070 tons, 22,9%
      - Belts: 1 807 tons, 10,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 1 038 tons, 5,8%
      - Armour Deck: 1 079 tons, 6,1%
      - Conning Tower: 147 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 2 404 tons, 13,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 485 tons, 36,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 531 tons, 19,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20 309 lbs / 9 212 Kg = 23,5 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 15,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,85
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,31

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,597
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,00 ft / 7,92 m
      - Forecastle (30%):   22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Mid (50%):      22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Stern:      22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Average freeboard:   22,48 ft / 6,85 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159,2%
   Waterplane Area: 29 173 Square feet or 2 710 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 149 lbs/sq ft or 726 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,91
      - Longitudinal: 2,34
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Korpen]

Similar to Borys ship, but smaller and faster:
Again, using similar arrangement as the Netherlands Dreadnaught (no, i do not have capacity to build it for someone else :()
Den Scheldt Shipyards
BCX-3, Netherlands Battlecruiser laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   13 000 t light; 13 977 t standard; 15 984 t normal; 17 590 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   523,08 ft / 505,25 ft x 72,18 ft x 27,89 ft (normal load)
   159,43 m / 154,00 m x 22,00 m  x 8,50 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 903,90lbs / 410,00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99,21lbs / 45,00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm guns in single mounts, 19,84lbs / 9,00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm guns in single mounts, 19,84lbs / 9,00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 8 580 lbs / 3 892 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 134

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6,89" / 175 mm   328,08 ft / 100,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   177,17 ft / 54,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   2,95" / 75 mm   328,08 ft / 100,00 m   7,87 ft / 2,40 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,87" / 200 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      5,91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   2,95" / 75 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 7,48" / 190 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 47 630 shp / 35 532 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 11 500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 613 tons

Complement:
   710 - 924

Cost:
   £1,633 million / $6,530 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 041 tons, 6,5 %
   Armour: 3 826 tons, 23,9 %
      - Belts: 1 738 tons, 10,9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 1 059 tons, 6,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 927 tons, 5,8 %
      - Conning Tower: 102 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 2 165 tons, 13,5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 668 tons, 35,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 984 tons, 18,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 868 lbs / 7 198 Kg = 18,3 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 15,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,20 ft / 7,68 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Mid (66 %):      20,34 ft / 6,20 m (12,47 ft / 3,80 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12,47 ft / 3,80 m
      - Stern:      12,47 ft / 3,80 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,05 ft / 5,50 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 453 Square feet or 2 365 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 707 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,92
      - Longitudinal: 1,99
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Desertfox]

[Jedi Mind Trick] France does not need more cruisers [Jedi Mind Trick]

[Korpen]

[Jedi Mind Trick] France does not need more cruisers [Jedi Mind Trick]

Hehe
[Jedi Mind Trick] Give your cruisers to the Netherlands [Jedi Mind Trick]

[Desertfox]

[Jedi Mind Trick] Give the DEI to the Swiss...[Jedi Mind Trick]
  ;);D :D :P

[Earl822]

[Jedi mind trick]Scuttle your ships and submit to the mighty Normans!!!!![/Jedi mind trick]

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Well done, DS!
Borys

[P3D]

*Orange ship designer is confused*

*Orange designer starts drawing up a battlecruiser*

[The Rock Doctor]

The original design is, to be honest, less insane than I had expected.  I am mildly disappointed.

I'm with P3D on battlecruisers.

[P3D]

The Orange proposal for the rebuild of the Gloire. Complete one, from keel up, keeping nameplate and anchor. Main requirement was that it should look like the original ship on paper if possible (same length and beam, overall layout). So two turrets with 275mm guns, but they would be triples (mounts to be developed by France) as 4 guns are not deemed adequate. 4 more 140mm guns in armored casemates, in exchange for the 47mm guns.
After it became public that the ships were sunk by torpedoes, the costumer insisted on torpedo protection. It could not be helped.

Gloire, France large protected cruiser laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   12,493 t light; 13,126 t standard; 14,945 t normal; 16,400 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   520.00 ft / 520.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
   158.50 m / 158.50 m x 21.34 m  x 7.92 m

Armament:
      6 - 10.83" / 275 mm guns (2x3 guns), 634.55lbs / 287.83kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
      20 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      16 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm guns in single mounts, 10.47lbs / 4.75kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 5,649 lbs / 2,562 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.35" / 187 mm   422.00 ft / 128.63 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.20" / 107 mm     98.00 ft / 29.87 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.20" / 107 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 125 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.40" / 213 mm   5.25" / 134 mm      6.30" / 160 mm
   2nd:   4.20" / 107 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.30" / 58 mm, Conning tower: 8.40" / 213 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 44,918 shp / 33,509 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,273 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   675 - 878

Cost:
   £1.342 million / $5.367 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 706 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 4,431 tons, 29.6 %
      - Belts: 2,007 tons, 13.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 389 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armament: 842 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,084 tons, 7.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 110 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,224 tons, 14.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,983 tons, 33.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,452 tons, 16.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,492 lbs / 7,481 Kg = 26.0 x 10.8 " / 275 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.553
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.43 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (57 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.96 ft / 5.47 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,468 Square feet or 2,366 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 625 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.68
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[maddox]

Money isn't the French problem, raw steel is.

Submit your payment proposals by PM, and Decadent France will see what it can do.
Premier Paixhans wants every shipyard with a good proposal before end of july 1907 happy.

[olekit]

Good day, Jentlemen. The Baltiisky Shipbuilding plan in cooperation with the Admiralteiskaya Verf offers you the project of rebuilding of the Glorie battleship.

Glorie, France heavy cruiser laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14 319 t light; 15 172 t standard; 16 810 t normal; 18 120 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   526,77 ft / 520,01 ft x 73,29 ft (Bulges 76,57 ft) x 29,20 ft (normal load)
   160,56 m / 158,50 m x 22,34 m (Bulges 23,34 m)  x 8,90 m

Armament:
      6 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      3 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (1x3 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline amidships
      16 - 6,30" / 160 mm guns in single mounts, 124,98lbs / 56,69kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 9 791 lbs / 4 441 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90
   4 - 18,0" / 457 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,48" / 190 mm   426,61 ft / 130,03 m   10,27 ft / 3,13 m
   Ends:   2,76" / 70 mm     91,86 ft / 28,00 m   10,27 ft / 3,13 m
     1,54 ft / 0,47 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 126% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      1,18" / 30 mm   338,02 ft / 103,03 m   25,85 ft / 7,88 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,51" / 140 mm         -         5,51" / 140 mm
   2nd:   5,51" / 140 mm         -         5,51" / 140 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 11,02" / 280 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 47 896 shp / 35 730 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 9 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 948 tons

Complement:
   737 - 959

Cost:
   £1,834 million / $7,336 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 224 tons, 7,3%
   Armour: 3 507 tons, 20,9%
      - Belts: 1 438 tons, 8,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 382 tons, 2,3%
      - Armament: 788 tons, 4,7%
      - Armour Deck: 744 tons, 4,4%
      - Conning Tower: 156 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2 177 tons, 13,0%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 311 tons, 43,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 490 tons, 14,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16 348 lbs / 7 415 Kg = 18,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 3,9 ft / 1,2 m
   Roll period: 16,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,94
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,24

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129,9%
   Waterplane Area: 25 534 Square feet or 2 372 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 178 lbs/sq ft or 869 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 2,52
      - Overall: 1,06
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily