France ships

[Jefgte]

French Enginers instal early wing turrets, single or double  for secondary guns & in the Dupleix for main armament.
They like losange installation & turrets on pivots.
You could see them earlier on the cruiser Dupuy de Lome or on the battleship Massena.
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I could here, return the remark about Iberia battleship.
"This is a violation of the rules"
Yes but the rules are violation of history.
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I always said that "Historical ships" must be add in the building rules.
(of courses, with very minor modifs)

For me, Nobody  ;) could have 1891 Brandeburg class BB with 3 main turrets (40 & 35cal)
No problemo, that's historical class.

Jef  :)

[snip]

Here is my issue with adding a historical ships clause. Where does the line get drawn between a historical ships that breaks the rules and a ship wich uses a historical design as precedent to break the rules? If I allow the Dupleix as is, why then is Logi's dreadnaught not allowed? It follows the same design practice after all. Creating such a loophole in the rules all but requiers the creation of potentially dangerous precedents that all but force players to build historical designs. I would rather outlaw the few historical designs that would not fit under the rules then tweek the rules to allow every historical design.

On the Dupleix herself I will have to respond later, classtime.

[Jefgte]

Here is my issue with adding a historical ships clause. Where does the line get drawn between a historical ships that breaks the rules and a ship wich uses a historical design as precedent to break the rules? If I allow the Dupleix as is, why then is Logi's dreadnaught not allowed? It follows the same design practice after all. Creating such a loophole in the rules all but requiers the creation of potentially dangerous precedents that all but force players to build historical designs. I would rather outlaw the few historical designs that would not fit under the rules then tweek the rules to allow every historical design.

On the Dupleix herself I will have to respond later, classtime

When I wrote Historical ship, I mean: Historical Existing Class of Ships in the Country
For Exemple:
Germany (Nobody) could have in the Kaiserlich Marine the class Brandeburg with 3T2 because this class was LD in 1891 & com later.
Only Germany could violate the rules with this class of BB (4 ships) but no British, no USN, no Spain, no France...

Jef  ;)

[Tanthalas]

While I agree with you that these oddballs should be allowed Jef, the rules have to be the same for everyone.  Not all ships can be layed down as per OTL (heck I cant even come close to the fleet Italy had OTL in 1900 so im just not trying)

[Delta Force]

Jef, do you plan on using tumblehome and other French design quirks or will they end up as Russian design quirks in this game?

[Jefgte]

I'm perhaps too inspired & constraint by the French style of that period...
Thats not a problem to rework Dupleix & other French dinosaures with our rules.
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Thumblehome?...
Probably yes

Jef  ;)

[Jefgte]

New Plan

The older ships

AC1, France Charner laid down 1890

Displacement:
   4 000 t light; 4 151 t standard; 4 892 t normal; 5 485 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (371.90 ft / 360.90 ft) x 45.92 ft x (18.00 / 19.75 ft)
   (113.36 m / 110.00 m) x 14.00 m  x (5.49 / 6.02 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.09lbs / 14.10kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 678 lbs / 308 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.400 t each, 0.800 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.400 t each, 0.800 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   249.35 ft / 76.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm     78.75 ft / 24.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     32.80 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.57" / 40 mm   249.35 ft / 76.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.77" / 45 mm, Aft 1.57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 200 ihp / 5 371 Kw = 18.05 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 334 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   292 - 380

Cost:
   £0.394 million / $1.574 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 179 tons, 3.7 %
      - Guns: 176 tons, 3.6 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1 027 tons, 21.0 %
      - Belts: 490 tons, 10.0 %
      - Armament: 132 tons, 2.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 384 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Towers: 21 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1 398 tons, 28.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 370 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 892 tons, 18.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 26 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 26 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4 709 lbs / 2 136 Kg = 35.1 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.65

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.574 / 0.586
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -45.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.55 ft / 3.83 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 11 829 Square feet or 1 099 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 390 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
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CP1, France Comao laid down 1890

Displacement:
   1 850 t light; 1 933 t standard; 2 267 t normal; 2 535 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (285.80 ft / 278.80 ft) x 32.80 ft x (14.84 / 16.25 ft)
   (87.11 m / 84.98 m) x 10.00 m  x (4.52 / 4.95 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 79.73lbs / 36.16kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
      2 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 389 lbs / 177 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedo - 0.400 t total
   submerged bow tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.400 t each, 0.800 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm   272.30 ft / 83.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 150 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.99" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 0.99" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 000 ihp / 3 730 Kw = 18.19 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 602 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   163 - 213

Cost:
   £0.217 million / $0.867 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 63 tons, 2.8 %
      - Guns: 61 tons, 2.7 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 188 tons, 8.3 %
      - Belts: 82 tons, 3.6 %
      - Armament: 12 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 94 tons, 4.1 %
   Machinery: 960 tons, 42.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 623 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 417 tons, 18.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 239 lbs / 562 Kg = 14.9 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 10.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 88 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.77

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.585 / 0.597
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.70 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  14.78 ft / 4.50 m,  14.78 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   50.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.83 ft / 3.61 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 149.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 6 595 Square feet or 613 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 57 lbs/sq ft or 277 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.16
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Delta Force]

I'm perhaps too inspired & constraint by the French style of that period...
Thats not a problem to rework Dupleix & other French dinosaures with our rules.
--
Thumblehome?...
Probably yes

Jef  ;)

Do you have any ships with tumblehome up right now so I can see how you have simmed it? I plan on having around a third or so of my battleships built using the hull type.

[Jefgte]

Do you have any ships with tumblehome up right now so I can see how you have simmed it?

look @ AC Charner class.

I have simmed with a negative value.

" Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
  Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)
"

Jef

[KWorld]

Inclining the belt, though, really only covers part of what the tumblehome did.  It doesn't cover the narrower upper hull, because an inclined belt could be (and usually is) inside the hull.  To do tumblehome correctly (or as correctly as our tools currently allow), you should have both a bulged hull and an inclined belt.

[Jefgte]

Here is AC Charner with tbh

AC1, France Charner laid down 1890

Displacement:
   3 900 t light; 4 049 t standard; 4 780 t normal; 5 364 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (371.90 ft / 360.90 ft) x 36.09 ft (Bulges 45.92 ft) x (18.00 / 20.23 ft)
   (113.36 m / 110.00 m) x 11.00 m (Bulges 14.00 m)  x (5.49 / 6.17 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.09lbs / 14.10kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 678 lbs / 308 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.400 t each, 0.800 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.400 t each, 0.800 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   249.35 ft / 76.00 m   9.20 ft / 2.80 m
   Ends:   1.77" / 45 mm     78.75 ft / 24.00 m   9.20 ft / 2.80 m
     32.80 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.77" / 45 mm   249.35 ft / 76.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 050 ihp / 5 259 Kw = 18.03 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 315 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   286 - 373

Cost:
   £0.386 million / $1.544 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 179 tons, 3.7 %
      - Guns: 176 tons, 3.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1 030 tons, 21.6 %
      - Belts: 558 tons, 11.7 %
      - Armament: 132 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 298 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 42 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1 369 tons, 28.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 294 tons, 27.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 880 tons, 18.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 28 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4 073 lbs / 1 847 Kg = 30.4 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.71

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.561 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -45.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.55 ft / 3.83 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 75.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 9 182 Square feet or 853 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 81 lbs/sq ft or 393 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

Early station BBs

Bouvines-Valmy, France 7700T station BB laid down 1892

Displacement:
   7 700 t light; 8 051 t standard; 8 789 t normal; 9 379 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (353.48 ft / 344.48 ft) x 52.50 ft (Bulges 65.62 ft) x (21.32 / 22.83 ft)
   (107.74 m / 105.00 m) x 16.00 m (Bulges 20.00 m)  x (6.50 / 6.96 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.55lbs / 193.03kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.55lbs / 193.03kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 3.59lbs / 1.63kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2 402 lbs / 1 090 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.588 t each, 2.351 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 280 mm   223.10 ft / 68.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   5.90" / 150 mm   108.28 ft / 33.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     13.10 ft / 3.99 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.90" / 150 mm   223.10 ft / 68.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      11.0" / 280 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      11.0" / 280 mm
   3rd:   2.95" / 75 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.03" / 280 mm, Aft 3.95" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 800 ihp / 8 057 Kw = 17.88 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 328 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   453 - 590

Cost:
   £0.751 million / $3.005 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 588 tons, 6.7 %
      - Guns: 585 tons, 6.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 856 tons, 32.5 %
      - Belts: 1 487 tons, 16.9 %
      - Armament: 609 tons, 6.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 623 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 137 tons, 1.6 %
   Machinery: 2 057 tons, 23.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 129 tons, 24.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 089 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 195 lbs / 3 717 Kg = 19.4 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 3.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.638 / 0.636
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  16.72 ft / 5.10 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Forward deck:   46.00 %,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.50 ft / 3.81 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 73.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 13 706 Square feet or 1 273 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 552 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.75
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[snip]

you might want to check the caliber of your guns. I dont think there were many L45s in this period

[Nobody]

Jef why don't you put your guns in a single battery with two groups instead of two batteries? That would only be necessary if you want one of them to be in casemates.

[KWorld]

you might want to check the caliber of your guns. I dont think there were many L45s in this period

The French were essentially the pioneers of longer-tubed weapons, their first L45 was the 138.6mm L45 Model 1884.  They also had 305mm, 274mm, and 194mm Models of 1887, and 274mm and 305mm models of 1893.